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<strong>Talks</strong> <strong>with</strong> <strong>Sri</strong> <strong>Ramana</strong> <strong>Maharshi</strong><br />

Talk 644.<br />

A District Official, a Muslim: What is the necessity for reincarnation?<br />

M.: Let us first see if there is incarnation before we speak of<br />

reincarnation.<br />

D.: How?<br />

M.: Are you now incarnated that you speak of reincarnation?<br />

D.: Yes. Certainly. An amoeba developed into higher <strong>org</strong>anisms until<br />

the human being has been evolved. This is now the perfection in<br />

development. Why should there be further reincarnation?<br />

M.: Who is to set limits to this theory of evolution?<br />

D.: Physically it is perfect. But for the soul, further development may<br />

be required which will happen after the death of the man.<br />

M.: Who is the man? Is he the body or the soul?<br />

D.: Both put together.<br />

M.: Do you not exist in the absence of the body?<br />

D.: How do you mean? It is impossible.<br />

M.: What was your state in deep sleep?<br />

D.: Sleep is temporary death. I was unconscious and therefore I cannot<br />

say what the state was.<br />

M.: But you existed in sleep. Did you not?<br />

D.: In sleep the soul leaves the body and goes out somewhere. Then it<br />

returns to the body before waking. It is therefore temporary death.<br />

M.: A man who is dead never returns to say that he died, whereas the<br />

man who had slept says that he slept.<br />

D.: Because this is temporary death.<br />

M.: If death is temporary and life is temporary, what is it that is real?<br />

D.: What is meant by the question?<br />

M.: If life and death be temporary, there must be something which is<br />

not temporary. Reality is that which is not temporary.<br />

D.: There is nothing real. Everything is temporary. Everything is maya.<br />

M.: On what does maya appear?<br />

D.: Now I see you; it is all maya.<br />

M.: If everything is maya, how does any question arise?<br />

D.: Why should there be reincarnation?<br />

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