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<strong>Talks</strong> <strong>with</strong> <strong>Sri</strong> <strong>Ramana</strong> <strong>Maharshi</strong><br />

D.: The thinker is spirit.<br />

M.: Do you then mean that spirit generates matter?<br />

D.: I want to know.<br />

M.: How do you distinguish between matter and spirit?<br />

D.: Spirit is consciousness and the other not.<br />

M.: Can consciousness generate non-consciousness, or light darkness?<br />

24th January, 1939<br />

Talk 614.<br />

There were a few respectable men in the hall. <strong>Sri</strong> Bhagavan spoke to them<br />

some time after their arrival. Where is the use of trying to remember the<br />

past or discover the future? That which matters is only the present. Take<br />

care of it and the other things will take care of themselves.<br />

D.: Is it bad to desire something?<br />

M.: One should not be elated on having his desire fulfilled or<br />

disappointed on being frustrated. To be elated on the fulfilment<br />

of desire is so deceitful. A gain will certainly be lost ultimately.<br />

Therefore elation must end in pain at a future date. One should not<br />

give place to feelings of pleasure or pain, come what may. How do<br />

the events affect the person? You do not grow by acquiring something<br />

nor <strong>with</strong>er away by losing it. You remain what you always are.<br />

D.: We worldly men cannot resist desire.<br />

M.: You may desire but be prepared for any eventuality. Make effort,<br />

but do not be lost in the result. Accept <strong>with</strong> equanimity whatever<br />

happens. For pleasure and pain are mere mental modes. They have<br />

no relation to the objective realities.<br />

D.: How?<br />

M.: There were two young friends in a village in South India. They were<br />

learned and wanted to earn something <strong>with</strong> which they might afford<br />

relief to their respective families. They took leave of their parents and<br />

went to Benares on a pilgrimage. On the way one of them died. The<br />

other was left alone. He wandered for a time, and in the course of a few<br />

months he made a good name and earned some money. He wanted to<br />

earn more before he returned to his home. In the meantime he met a<br />

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