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Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi
Pure Knowledge seems different from what It really is; the same
is seen as ‘I’ and the ‘world’ which are full of desire, attachment,
hatred, etc. Therefore desire, etc., are said to veil the Reality.
D.: How to be rid of thoughts? Is it as said in the Atma-Vidya - the
eye of the mental eye, etc.?
M.: There the mind stands for ether, Being (sat); and the eye for
knowledge (chit); both sat and chit together form the universe.
D.: How to realise the same?
M.: As pointed out in the Atma Vidya “being the eye of the mental eye,
the ether of the mental ether.....”, meaning, the Knowledge behind
the relative knowledge, the Chit-Ether containing the mental ether,
remains as the Only One always shining bright.
D.: Still I do not understand. How shall I realise it?
M.: It is also said, “Remain free from thoughts,” and “It is realised
only in the mind drawn within.” Therefore, the mind made free
from thoughts, and merged in the Heart. is Chit Itself.
D.: Is the aforesaid mental ether Isvara or Hiranyagarbha?
M.: Can the latter remain independent of the former? The same is
Isvara and Hiranyagarbha.
D.: How do they differ from each other?
M.: The Immanent Being is called Isvara.
D.: Is not the Immanent Being Chit-akasa only?
M.: Immanence can only be with Maya. It is the Knowledge of Being
along with Maya; from this subtle conceit Hiranyagarbha; from
the latter the gross conceit virat. Chit-atma is Pure Being only.
13th December, 1938
Talk 590.
Two ladies, one Swiss and the other French, visited Maharshi. The
younger of the ladies asked several questions, of which the most important
was: “Brahman is the same as jiva. If the jiva be under illusion it amounts
to saying that Brahman is under illusion. How is that possible?”
M.: If Brahman be under illusion and wants disillusionment let Him
raise the question.
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