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Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi
Avarana (veiling) gives rise to two kinds of veiling.
within
veils drik (the seer)
and drisya (the seen)
Avarana
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outside
veils the
Lord’s Creation
‘I-am-the-body idea’ Multiplicity
Jiva is not independent of Isvara; nor ignorance of maya. Only on waking
up from sleep, the man perceives the body and the world, but not in sleep.
On the strength of the present knowledge he understands that he remained
in deep sleep also. Therefore in sleep jiva must be concluded to be in pure
state in which the body and the world are not perceived.
D.: Is not jiva the reflected light, the ‘I-thought’?
M.: He is also a jiva; before it also he is jiva; the one of them is
related to the other as cause and effect. The sleeper jiva cannot be
independent of Isvara. On waking he says “I am the body”. If all
the worlds together form virat, the body is a tiny dot in it. Thus
the body is in and of virat. What belongs to the jiva then? Only the
conceit makes him claim the body as himself but not the others.
He cannot be independent of virat. Similarly,
(1) Isvara
(Causal Cosmic Being) → Prajna (individual being in deep
sleep)
(2) Hiranyagarbha
(Causal Subtle Being) → Taijasa (individual subtle being)
(3) Virat
(Causal gross Being) → Visva (individual gross being)
(4) Maya
(Causal Ignorance adjunct to Isvara) → Ignorance adjunct to
Jiva
(5) Brahman
(Cause) → Jiva (Effect)
They say that all these five groups should be unified. This they call
the unity of the Five. All these are only polemics!