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Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi
Talk 561.
D.: What is svarupa (form) and arupa (formless) of the mind?
M.: When you wake up from sleep a light appears, that is the light
of the Self passing through Mahat tattva. It is called cosmic
consciousness. That is arupa. The light falls on the ego and is
reflected therefrom. Then the body and the world are seen. This
mind is svarupa. The objects appear in the light of this reflected
consciousness. This light is called jyoti.
21st October, 1938
Talk 562.
There is a statement in the book Vichara Sangraha that though a person
realises the Self once, he cannot, for that simple reason alone, become
a mukta. He continues to remain a victim of vasanas (latencies). Sri
Bhagavan was asked whether the realisation referred to was the same as
the jnani’s, and if so why there should be a difference in their effects.
M.: The experience is the same. Every person experiences the Self
consciously or unconsciously. The ajnani’s experience is clouded
by his latencies whereas the jnani’s is not so. The jnani’s experience
of the Self is therefore distinct and permanent.
A practiser may by long practice gain a glimpse of the Reality. This
experience may be vivid for the time being. And yet he will be
distracted by the old vasanas and so his experience will not avail
him. Such a man must continue his manana and nididhyasana so
that all the obstacles may be destroyed. He will then be able to
remain permanently in the Real State.
D.: What is the difference between a man who makes no attempts and
remains an ajnani, and another who gains a glimpse and returns
to ajnana?
M.: In the latter case a stimulus is always present to goad him on to
further efforts until the realisation is perfect.
D.: The Srutis say: Sakrit vibhatoyam brahmaloka (This knowledge
of Brahman shines forth once and forever).
M.: They refer to the permanent realisation and not to the glimpse.
D.: How is it possible that a man forgets his very experience and falls
back into ignorance?
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