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Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi
D.: But the jiva has not realised the Absolute and imagines itself
separate.
M.: Jiva is separate because it must exist in order to imagine
something.
D.: But it is unreal.
M.: Any unreal thing cannot produce effects. It is like saying that you killed
some animal with the horn of a hare. A hare does not grow horns.
D.: I see the absurdity. But I speak from the physical plane.
M.: You say, ‘I’. Who is that ‘I’? If that is found you can later say
whose is the illusion.
A little later Sri Bhagavan asked:
You say you are in the physical plane now. In which plane are you
in dreamless sleep?
D.: I think in the physical plane again.
M.: You say, “I think”. That means that you are saying it now when you are
awake. Anyway you admit that you exist in deep sleep. Don’t you?
D.: Yes, but I did not function then.
M.: So then, you existed in deep sleep. You are the same one who
continues to exist? Are you not?
D.: Yes.
M.: With this difference - that you did not function in your sleep.
Rather you are associated with the thinking faculty in your waking
state and you are dissociated from it in sleep. Is it not so?
D.: Yes.
M.: Which is then your real nature? Is it to be associated with thinking
or to be dissociated?
D.: I see it now. But I was not aware of my being in sleep.
M.: You say so now. You do not say so in your sleep. Or do you deny
your being (very existence in sleep)?
D.: No.
M.: It amounts to this that you exist in both states. The Absolute Existence
is the Self. You are also conscious of the Existence. That Existence is
also consciousness (Sat and Chit). That is your real nature.
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