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Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi
17th September, 1938
Talk 515.
D.: In the explanation given yesterday, it is said that the removal of
avarana results in the annihilation of the karana sarira. That is
clear. But how is the gross body considered to fall off too?
M.: The vasanas are of two kinds: bandha hetu (causing bondage) and
bhoga hetu (only giving enjoyment). The Jnani has transcended the
ego and therefore all the causes of bondage are inoperative. Bandha
hetu is thus at an end and prarabdha (past karma) remains as bhoga
vasana (to give enjoyment) only. Therefore it was said that the sukshma
sarira alone survives jnana. Kaivalya says that sanchita Karma (stored
Karma) is at an end simultaneously with the rise of jnana; that agami
(Karma now collecting) is no longer operative owing to the absence
of the sense of bondage, and that prarabdha will be exhausted by
enjoyment (bhoga) only. Thus the last one will end in course of time
and then the gross body also falls away with it.
Sarira traya (the three bodies) and Karma traya (the three Karmas)
are mere phrases meant for the delectation of debaters. A Jnani is
not affected by any of them.
An aspirant is instructed to find who he is. If he does so, he will
take no interest in discussing such matters as the above. Find the
Self and rest in Peace.
22nd September, 1938
Talk 516.
A question arose if the world is real or unreal, since it is claimed to be
both by the advaitins themselves. Sri Bhagavan said that it is unreal
if viewed as apart from the Self and real if viewed as the Self.
25th September, 1938
Talk 517.
There was some reference of two slokas in Yoga Vasishtha where spiritism
in mlechcha desa is mentioned. Mr. MacIver said that black magic is more
prevalent in the West than is ordinarily known to the observer. The writer
then remembered how Mr. Paul Brunton had once said that he actually
feared a woman for her association with black magic.
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