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<strong>Talks</strong> <strong>with</strong> <strong>Sri</strong> <strong>Ramana</strong> <strong>Maharshi</strong><br />

your goal. Tears are often considered a sign of weakness. These<br />

great persons were certainly not weak. These manifestations are<br />

only passing signs of the great current carrying them on. We must<br />

look to the end achieved.<br />

D.: Can this physical body be made to disappear into nothingness?<br />

M.: Why this question? Can you not find out if you are the body?<br />

D.: Can we have disappearance from sight (antardhana) like the yogis<br />

Vasishta or Viswamitra?<br />

M.: These are only physical matters. Is that the essential object of our<br />

interest? Are you not the Self? Why trouble about other matters? Take<br />

the essence; reject other learned theories as useless. They who think that<br />

physical disappearance counts in freedom are mistaken. No such thing<br />

is needed. You are not the body; what does it matter if it disappears<br />

in one way or another? There is no great merit in such phenomena. In<br />

what does superiority or inferiority consist? Achievement of the Real<br />

alone matters. The loss of the ‘I’ is the main fact, and not the loss of the<br />

body. Identity of the Self <strong>with</strong> the body is the real bondage. Leave off<br />

the false notion and perceive intuitively the Real. That alone matters.<br />

If you melt a gold ornament before testing it to be gold, what matters<br />

it how it is melted, whole or in parts, or of what shape the ornament<br />

was? All that you are interested in is if it is gold. The dead man sees<br />

not his body. It is the survivor that thinks about the manner in which<br />

the body is parted from. The realised have no death <strong>with</strong> or <strong>with</strong>out<br />

the body, the realised man is equally aware and sees no difference. To<br />

him the one state is not superior to the other. To an outsider also the<br />

fortunes of a liberated one’s body need not be of any concern; mind<br />

your business. Realise the Self; after realisation there will be time to<br />

think of what form of death is preferable to you.<br />

It is the false identity of the Self <strong>with</strong> the body that causes the idea<br />

of preference, etc. Are you the body? Were you aware of it when<br />

you were fast asleep last night? No! What is it that exists now and<br />

troubles you? It is ‘I’. Get rid of it and be happy.<br />

Talk 33.<br />

A visitor: “The Supreme Spirit (Brahman) is Real. The world (jagat)<br />

is illusion,” is the stock phrase of <strong>Sri</strong> Sankaracharya. Yet others<br />

say, “The world is reality”. Which is true?<br />

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