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Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi
D.: What is that Self-Realisation which removes the discontent? I am in the
world and there are wars in it. Can Self-Realisation put an end to it?
M.: Are you in the world? Or is the world in you?
D.: I do not understand. The world is certainly around me.
M.: You speak of the world and happenings in it. They are mere ideas
in you. The ideas are in the mind. The mind is within you. And so
the world is within you.
D.: I do not follow you. Even if I do not think of the world, the world
is still there.
M.: Do you mean to say that the world is apart from the mind and it
can exist in the absence of the mind?
D.: Yes.
M.: Does the world exist in your deep sleep?
D.: It does.
M.: Do you see it in your sleep?
D.: No, I don’t. But others, who are awake, see it.
M.: Are you so aware in your sleep? Or do you become aware of the
other’s knowledge now?
D.: In my waking state.
M.: So you speak of waking knowledge and not of sleep-experience. The
existence of the world in your waking and dream states is admitted
because they are the products of the mind. The mind is withdrawn in
sleep and the world is in the condition of a seed. It becomes manifest
over again when you wake up. The ego springs forth, identifies itself
with the body and sees the world. So the world is a mental creation.
D.: How can it be?
M.: Do you not create a world in your dream? The waking state also
is a long drawn out dream. There must be a seer behind the waking
and dream experiences. Who is that seer? Is it the body?
D.: It cannot be.
M.: Is it the mind?
D.: It must be so.
M.: But you remain in the absence of the mind.
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