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Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi
him. So there is only one jiva, be it the individual or God. All else
is simply a myth.
(3) The Paramarthika: i.e., ajatavada (no-creation doctrine) which
admits of no second. There is no reality or absence of it, no seeking
or gaining, no bondage or liberation and so on.
The question arises why then do all the sastras speak of the Lord as
the creator? How can the creature that you are create the creator and
argue that the jagat, jiva and Isvara are mental conceptions only?
The answer is as follows:-
You know that your father of this jagrat state is dead and that
several years have elapsed since his death. However you see him
in your dream and recognise him to be your father, of whom you
were born and who has left patrimony to you. Here the creator is
in the creature. Again, you dream that you are serving a king and
that you are a part in the administrative wheel of the kingdom. As
soon as you wake up all of them have disappeared leaving you, the
single individual, behind. Where were they all? Only in yourself.
The same analogy holds good in the other case also.
D.: In the Vyavaharika, above mentioned, how does maya come in?
M.: Maya is only Isvara-Sakti or the activity of Reality.
D.: Why does it become active?
M.: How can this question arise? You are yourself within its fold. Are
you standing apart from that universal activity in order to ask this
question? The same Power is raising this doubt in order that all
doubts may finally cease.
D.: The dream world is not purposeful as the jagrat world, because
we do not feel that wants are satisfied.
M.: You are not right. There are thirst and hunger in dream also. You
might have had your fill and kept over the remaining food for the
next day. Nevertheless you feel hungry in dream. This food does
not help you. Your dream-hunger can be satisfied only by eating
dream-food. Dream-wants are satisfied by dream-creations only.
D.: We recollect our dreams in our jagrat but not vice-versa.
M.: Not right again. In the dream you identify yourself with the one
now speaking.
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