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<strong>Talks</strong> <strong>with</strong> <strong>Sri</strong> <strong>Ramana</strong> <strong>Maharshi</strong><br />

D.: Is not dhyana one of the efficient processes for Realisation?<br />

M.: Dhyana is concentration on an object. It fulfils the purpose of keeping<br />

away diverse thoughts and fixing the mind on a single thought, which<br />

must also disappear before Realisation. But Realisation is nothing new to<br />

be acquired. It is already there, but obstructed by a screen of thoughts.<br />

All our attempts are directed for lifting this screen and then<br />

Realisation is revealed.<br />

If a true seeker is advised to meditate, many may go away satisfied<br />

<strong>with</strong> the advice. But someone among them may turn round and ask,<br />

“Who am I to meditate on an object?” Such a one must be told to<br />

find the Self. That is the finality. That is Vichara.<br />

D.: Will vichara alone do in the absence of meditation?<br />

M.: Vichara is the process and the goal also. ‘I AM’ is the goal and the<br />

final Reality. To hold to it <strong>with</strong> effort is vichara. When spontaneous<br />

and natural it is Realisation.<br />

Talk 391.<br />

The same sannyasi visitor, Swami Lokesananda, asked about samadhi.<br />

M.: (1) Holding on to Reality is samadhi.<br />

(2) Holding on to Reality <strong>with</strong> effort is savikalpa samadhi.<br />

(3) Merging in Reality and remaining unaware of the world is<br />

nirvikalpa samadhi. 1<br />

(4) Merging in Ignorance and remaining unaware of the world is<br />

sleep. (Head bends but not in samadhi).<br />

(5) Remaining in the primal, pure natural state <strong>with</strong>out effort is<br />

sahaja nirvikalpa samadhi.<br />

D.: It is said that one remaining in nirvikalpa samadhi for 21 days<br />

must necessarily give up the physical body.<br />

M.: Samadhi means passing beyond dehatma buddhi (I-am-the-body<br />

idea) and non-identification of the body <strong>with</strong> the Self is a foregone<br />

conclusion.<br />

There are said to be persons who have been immersed in nirvikalpa<br />

samadhi for a thousand years or more.<br />

1. See table on next page<br />

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