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<strong>Talks</strong> <strong>with</strong> <strong>Sri</strong> <strong>Ramana</strong> <strong>Maharshi</strong><br />

M.: Removal of ignorance is the aim of practice, and not acquisition of<br />

Realisation. Realisation is ever present, here and now. Were it to be<br />

acquired anew, Realisation must be understood to be absent at one<br />

time and present at another time. In that case, it is not permanent,<br />

and therefore not worth the attempt. But Realisation is permanent<br />

and eternal and is here and now.<br />

D.: Grace is necessary for the removal of ignorance.<br />

M.: Certainly. But Grace is all along there. Grace is the Self. It is<br />

not something to be acquired. All that is necessary is to know its<br />

existence. For example, the sun is brightness only. He does not<br />

see darkness. Whereas others speak of darkness fleeing away on<br />

the sun approaching. Similarly, ignorance also is a phantom and<br />

not real. Because of its unreality, its unreal nature being found, it<br />

is said to be removed.<br />

Again, the sun is there and also bright. You are surrounded by<br />

sunlight. Still if you would know the sun you must turn your eyes<br />

in his direction and look at him. So also Grace is found by practice<br />

alone although it is here and now.<br />

D.: By the desire to surrender constantly, increasing Grace is<br />

experienced, I hope.<br />

M.: Surrender once for all and be done <strong>with</strong> the desire. So long as<br />

the sense of doership is retained there is the desire; that is also<br />

personality. If this goes the Self is found to shine forth pure.<br />

The sense of doership is the bondage and not the actions<br />

themselves.<br />

“Be still and know that I am God.” Here stillness is total surrender<br />

<strong>with</strong>out a vestige of individuality. Stillness will prevail and there<br />

will be no agitation of mind. Agitation of mind is the cause of<br />

desire, the sense of doership and personality. If that is stopped<br />

there is quiet. There ‘Knowing’ means ‘Being’. It is not the relative<br />

knowledge involving the triads, knowledge, subject and object.<br />

D.: Is the thought “I am God” or “I am the Supreme Being” helpful?<br />

M.: “I am that I am.” “I am” is God - not thinking, “I am God”. Realise<br />

“I am” and do not think I am. “Know I am God” - it is said, and<br />

not “Think I am God.”<br />

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