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<strong>Talks</strong> <strong>with</strong> <strong>Sri</strong> <strong>Ramana</strong> <strong>Maharshi</strong><br />

When asked, <strong>Sri</strong> Bhagavan said: It is said of some saints that they<br />

revived the dead. They, too, did not revive all the dead. If that could<br />

be done there will be no world, no death, no cemetery, etc.<br />

One man asked: The mother’s faith was very remarkable. How<br />

could she have had such a hopeful vision and still be disappointed?<br />

Can it be a superimposition attendant on her child’s love?<br />

M.: She and her child not being real, how can the vision alone be a<br />

superimposition?<br />

D.: Then how is it to be explained?<br />

No answer.<br />

Talk 343.<br />

D.: Even as the hand is cut off, one must remain unaware of it because<br />

Bhagavad Gita declares that the Self is different from the body.<br />

M.: Does jnana consist in being unaware of the pain of injury?<br />

D.: Should he not remain unaware of pain?<br />

M.: Major operations are performed under anaesthetics, keeping the<br />

patient unaware of the pain. Does the patient gain jnana too, at the<br />

same time? Insensibility to pain cannot be jnana.<br />

D.: Should not a Jnani (a sage) be insensible to pain?<br />

M.: Physical pain only follows body-consciousness; it cannot be in the<br />

absence of body-consciousness. Mind, being unaware of the body, cannot<br />

be aware of its pains or pleasures. Read the story of Indra and Ahalya in<br />

Yoga Vasishta; there death itself is said to be an act of mind.<br />

Pains are dependent on the ego; they cannot be <strong>with</strong>out the ‘I’, but<br />

‘I’ can remain <strong>with</strong>out them.<br />

Talk 344<br />

D.: Vichara Sagara relates four obstacles to Self-Realisation.<br />

M.: Why only four? Some say they are nine. Sleep is one of them. What<br />

is sleep? It is only the obverse of waking. It cannot be independent<br />

of waking. Sleep is unalloyed Self. Do not think you are awake:<br />

sleep cannot be, nor the three states either. Only f<strong>org</strong>etting the Self<br />

you say you dreamt. Can anything exist in the absence of the Self?<br />

Why do you leave it out and hold the non-self?<br />

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