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<strong>Talks</strong> <strong>with</strong> <strong>Sri</strong> <strong>Ramana</strong> <strong>Maharshi</strong><br />

M.: If the meditator and meditation be understood to be the same<br />

there will be no headache or similar complaints.<br />

D.: But they are different. How shall we consider them to be the same?<br />

M.: That is due to your outlook. There is only one and there are no<br />

differences. On meditation the relative consciousness will vanish. That<br />

is not annihilation; for Absolute Consciousness arises. The Bible itself<br />

says, “The Kingdom of Heaven is <strong>with</strong>in you” . . . If you consider<br />

yourself to be the body there is some difficulty in understanding the<br />

statement. On the other hand if you know who you really are, the<br />

Kingdom of Heaven and all are included in your true Self. They are<br />

concepts arising after the ego has arisen. Drishtim jnanamayeem krtva<br />

pasyet Brahmamayam jagat (Direct your look <strong>with</strong>in and make it<br />

absolute). With that absolute awareness realised, look <strong>with</strong>out and you<br />

will realise the universe to be not apart from the realised Absolute.<br />

Because your outlook is externally directed you speak of a <strong>with</strong>out. In that<br />

state you are advised to look <strong>with</strong>in. This <strong>with</strong>in is relative to the <strong>with</strong>out<br />

you are seeking. In fact, the Self is neither <strong>with</strong>out nor <strong>with</strong>in.<br />

Speaking of Heaven one thinks of it as above or below, <strong>with</strong>in or<br />

<strong>with</strong>out, since one is accustomed to relative knowledge. One seeks<br />

only objective knowledge and hence these ideas.<br />

Really speaking there is neither up nor down, neither in nor out.<br />

If they were real they must be present in dreamless sleep also. For<br />

what is real must be continuous and permanent. Did you feel ‘in’<br />

or ‘out’ in sleep? Of course not.<br />

D.: I do not remember.<br />

M.: If there was anything there that could be remembered. But you<br />

admit your existence then. The same Self is now speaking. The Self<br />

who was undifferentiated in sleep is differentiated in the present state,<br />

and sees the diversity. The Real Existence is the only One devoid of<br />

objective knowledge. That is absolute consciousness. That is the state<br />

of happiness, as admitted by all of us. That state must be brought about<br />

even in this waking state. It is called jagrat sushupti. That is mukti.<br />

D.: The ego is the one which reincarnates.<br />

M.: Yes. But what is reincarnation? The ego remains the same. New<br />

bodies appear and hold it. The ego does not change. It does not leave<br />

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