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<strong>Talks</strong> <strong>with</strong> <strong>Sri</strong> <strong>Ramana</strong> <strong>Maharshi</strong><br />

D.: It is said Atma samstham manah krtva (fixing the mind in the<br />

Self). But the Self is unthinkable.<br />

M.: Why do you wish to meditate at all? Because you wish to do so<br />

you are told Atma samstham manah krtva (fixing the mind in the<br />

Self); why do you not remain as you are <strong>with</strong>out meditating? What<br />

is that manah (mind)? When all thoughts are eliminated it becomes<br />

Atma samstha (fixed in the Self).<br />

D.: If a form is given I can meditate on it and other thoughts are<br />

eliminated. But the Self is formless.<br />

M.: Meditation on forms or concrete objects is said to be dhyana, whereas<br />

the enquiry into the Self is vichara (enquiry) or nididhyasana.<br />

Explaining adhyaropapavadabhyam (superimposition and its<br />

elimination), <strong>Sri</strong> Bhagavan pointed out that the first turns you<br />

inward to the Self; and then according to the second, you know<br />

that the world is not apart from the Self.<br />

16th December, 1936<br />

Talk 295.<br />

Mr. Natverlal Parekh, a Gujerati gentleman who had attended the<br />

International Religious Conference as a delegate from Baroda, came<br />

here on a visit. He is a young man, well-groomed, alert, and quite<br />

conscious of his well-earned merit. He presented a note containing<br />

some questions to <strong>Sri</strong> Bhagavan.<br />

D.: Pray help me realise Atma - Paramatma - Satchidananda.<br />

M.: Atma - Paramatma - Satchidananda mean one and the same thing,<br />

i.e., the Self. The Self is eternally realised. Otherwise there will<br />

be no pleasure in it. If it is not eternal it must have a beginning;<br />

what begins will also end; so that it is only transient. There is no<br />

use seeking for a temporary state of affairs. The fact is that it is the<br />

state of effortless, ever alert Peace. Effortlessness while remaining<br />

aware is the state of Bliss, and that is Realisation.<br />

D.: I do not want intellectual answers. I want them to be practical.<br />

M.: Yes. Direct knowledge does not require intellectual discourses.<br />

Since the Self is directly experienced by everyone, they are not at all<br />

necessary. Everyone says “I am”. Is there anything more to realise?<br />

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