Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi Complete ... - BrahminVoice.org

M.: Who is jiva?
D.: It is Paramatma’s.
M.: Let Paramatma ask then.
Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi
D.: I shall make my doubt clear by means of an illustration.
M.: Whoever wants the doubt to be illustrated and made clear? Direct
experience - pratyaksha - does not require examples for elucidation.
D.: There is pratyaksha and also forgetfulness.
M.: What is forgotten and by whom?
D.: Listen. One dreams; the dream-world disappears on waking.
M.: Wake up similarly from the present dream.
D.: Prakrti (nature) is too powerful.
M.: See the Purusha (lord) also. What can prakrti do then?
D.: There is a granthi (knot) between them.
M.: Whose is that knot? Is it of the Lord or of Nature? or of both?
D.: Due to Brahman.
M.: Then Brahman must ask or must be asked. To whom is svapna?
or the knot? You are always saying “I ask.” Who is that ‘I’?
D.: I do not perceive.
M.: ‘I’ is eternal. It would vanish if it were anything particular. It is
Perfection. So it is not found as an object.
D.: But I am imperfect.
M.: Why bring in imperfection? Why are you not perfect? Did you
feel imperfection in your sleep? Why do you not remain so even
now? Bring sleep into the waking state (jagrat sushupti) and you
will be all right. Ya nisa sarva bhootanam ... pasyato muneh ...
(That which is night for the ignorant is day for the wise).
D.: Yes, if he is a muni (sage).
M.: Who is a muni? Is he not a man?
D.: Do you not feel a slap if given to you? Is there no differentiation?
Is it jnana?
M.: A man under chloroform or under the influence of drink does not
feel it. Is he a Jnani? Is jnana inconsistent with that feeling?
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