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<strong>Talks</strong> <strong>with</strong> <strong>Sri</strong> <strong>Ramana</strong> <strong>Maharshi</strong><br />

<strong>Sri</strong> Bhagavan said: A Madhva saint Tatvaroyar had composed<br />

a bharani on his master Swarupanand. Pandits objected to the<br />

composition, saying that it was reserved to such as have killed more<br />

than a thousand elephants in battle, whereas Swarupanand was an idle<br />

man sitting somewhere unknown to people and he did not deserve<br />

that panegyric.<br />

Tatvaroyar asked them all to assemble before his master so that<br />

they might see for themselves if he could slay one thousand<br />

elephants at a time. They did so. As soon as they appeared they<br />

were struck dumb and remained in beatific peace for a few days<br />

<strong>with</strong>out the least movement. When they regained their senses, they<br />

saluted both the master and the disciple, saying that they were<br />

more than satisfied. Swarupanand excelled the warriors in that he<br />

could subdue the egos, which is a much more formidable task than<br />

slaying a thousand elephants.<br />

<strong>Maharshi</strong> said that the moral was clear. Peace is the sole criterion of<br />

a Mahatma’s Presence.<br />

20th October, 1936<br />

Talk 263.<br />

Dr. Syed: <strong>Sri</strong> Bhagavan says that the Heart is the Self. Psychology has<br />

it that malice, envy, jealousy and all passions have their seat in the<br />

heart. How are these two statements to be reconciled?<br />

M.: The whole cosmos is contained in one pinhole in the Heart. These<br />

passions are part of the cosmos. They are avidya (ignorance).<br />

D.: How did avidya arise?<br />

M.: Avidya is like Maya [she who is not is maya (illusion)]. Similarly<br />

that which is not is ignorance. Therefore the question does not<br />

arise. Nevertheless, the question is asked. Then ask, “Whose is the<br />

avidya? Avidya is ignorance. It implies subject and object. Become<br />

the subject and there will be no object.<br />

D.: What is avidya?<br />

M.: Ignorance of Self. Who is ignorant of the Self? The self must be<br />

ignorant of Self. Are there two selves?<br />

226

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