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<strong>Talks</strong> <strong>with</strong> <strong>Sri</strong> <strong>Ramana</strong> <strong>Maharshi</strong><br />

D.: I mean when the spirit is disembodied, does it carry the intellect<br />

<strong>with</strong> it?<br />

M.: Spirit is not disembodied. The bodies differ. It may not be a<br />

gross body. It will then be a subtle body, as in sleep, dream or daydream.<br />

Intellect does not alter; the bodies may differ according to<br />

circumstances.<br />

D.: The spirit-body is the astral body then?<br />

M.: The intellect is the astral body now.<br />

D.: How can it be?<br />

M.: Why not? You seem to think that the intellect cannot be limited<br />

like a body. It is only an aggregate of certain factors. What else is<br />

the astral body?<br />

D.: But intellect is a sheath?<br />

M.: Yes. Without intellect, no sheath is cognised. Who says that there<br />

are five sheaths? Is it not the intellect that declares thus?<br />

Talk 207.<br />

Deep sleep is only the state of non-duality. Can the difference between<br />

the individual and Universal souls persist there? Sleep implies<br />

f<strong>org</strong>etfulness of all differences: This alone constitutes happiness. See<br />

how carefully people prepare their beds to gain that happiness. Soft<br />

cushions, pillows and all the rest are meant to induce sound sleep,<br />

that is to say to end wakefulness. And yet the soft bed, etc., are of no<br />

use in the state of deep sleep itself. The implication is that all efforts<br />

are meant only to end ignorance. They have no use after realisation.<br />

Talk 208.<br />

It is enough that one surrenders oneself. Surrender is to give oneself<br />

up to the original cause of one’s being. Do not delude yourself by<br />

imagining such source to be some God outside you. One’s source is<br />

<strong>with</strong>in yourself. Give yourself up to it. That means that you should seek<br />

the source and merge in it. Because you imagine yourself to be out of<br />

it, you raise the question “Where is the source?” Some contend that the<br />

sugar cannot taste its own sweetness and that a taster must taste and<br />

enjoy it. Similarly, an individual cannot be the Supreme and enjoy the<br />

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