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Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi
11th March, 1936
Talk 179.
Mr. Frydman had asked Swami Ramdas something, to which he replied
that there would be no more births for himself. The engineer had pointed
out there should be no anxiety regarding rebirth. There will be the same
Rama, the same Ramdas, the same search for Rama and the same bliss
of realisation. What objection could be there for the repetition of this
Rama-Lila? Ramdas had admitted that there could be no objection,
that it would be an enjoyment and a game. The engineer further said
that Ramdas added that Ramdas had found Rama merged in Him and
happy in that union. They are the same, still there was Ramdas, there
was Rama, there was the union, there was the Bliss. That is eternal.
Saying it, he asked what Sri Bhagavan would say to it.
M.: It is all as true as the present events.
Talk 180.
Later, the same gentleman said that sleep was a state of oblivion and
the wakeful state was the mind’s activity. The mind was in a potential
state in sleep.
M.: Were you not in sleep?
D.: Yes, I was. But in a state of oblivion. There must be a witness
of oblivion and of the mind which says that ‘I’ am continuous in
both states.
M.: Who is this witness? You speak of ‘witness’. There must be an
object and a subject to witness. These are creations of the mind. The
idea of witness is in the mind. If there was the witness of oblivion
did he say, ‘I witness oblivion’? You, with your mind, said just
now that there must be a witness. Who was the witness? You must
reply ‘I’. Who is that ‘I’ again? You are identifying yourself with
the ego and say ‘I’. Is this ego ‘I’, the witness? It is the mind that
speaks. It cannot be witness of itself. With self-imposed limitations
you think that there is a witness of mind and of oblivion. You also
say, “I am the witness”. That one who witnesses the oblivion must
say, “I witness oblivion”. The present mind cannot arrogate to itself
that position.
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