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<strong>Talks</strong> <strong>with</strong> <strong>Sri</strong> <strong>Ramana</strong> <strong>Maharshi</strong><br />

D.: Probably it is like a dream. Just as we speak of our dreams, so<br />

they think of their actions.<br />

M.: Even the dream, etc. is in your mind. This explanation too is in<br />

your mind only.<br />

D.: Yes. I see. All is <strong>Ramana</strong>-Maya - made up of the Self.<br />

M.: If so, there will be no duality and no talk.<br />

D.: A man, on realising the Self, can help the world more effectively.<br />

Is it not so?<br />

M.: If the world be apart from the Self.<br />

12th February, 1936<br />

Talk 159.<br />

Mr. Cohen desired to know if trance is a sine qua non for Self-<br />

Realisation.<br />

M.: You are always in the Self - now, in trance, in deep sleep, in<br />

Realisation. If you lose hold of the Self and identify yourself <strong>with</strong><br />

the body or the mind, these states appear to overtake you, and it<br />

also looks like a blank in trance, etc.; whereas you are the Self<br />

and ever-present.<br />

D.: <strong>Sri</strong> Aurobindo says that the Light which resides in the head must<br />

be brought down to the heart below.<br />

M.: Is not the Self already in the Heart? How can the all-pervading<br />

Self be taken from one place to another?<br />

D.: Is a karma yogi or a bhakta too subject to trance?<br />

M.: When you concentrate on one point you merge in it, and this merging<br />

is called trance. The other features disappear and the Self alone<br />

remains over. The karmi or bhakta also must experience the same.<br />

Talk 160.<br />

D.: What is the hridaya and what the sphurana therein? How do<br />

they appear?<br />

M.: The hridaya and the sphurana are the same as the Self. The<br />

sphurana requires a basis for its manifestation. This is explained<br />

in the book Vichara Sangraham (Self-Enquiry).<br />

140

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