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PROSECUTOR UERTZ-RETZLAFF: At that time, had you discussed the Z-4 plan with<br />

Mr. Galbraith?<br />

BABIĆ Yes, with Ambassador Peter Galbraith, several times before that.<br />

PROSECUTOR UERTZ-RETZLAFF: And immediately before you had this telephone<br />

conversation, what was the option given to you by Mr. Galbraith?<br />

BABIĆ: He off ered that we should accept and adopt the Z-4 plan and the disengagement<br />

of the armed forces of Krajina in the Bihać pocket. He said that we should accept a new<br />

mandate for the UN peacekeepers, which was known as the UNCRO mandate, United<br />

Nations Croatia, and that communications and roads be opened in Croatia.<br />

PROSECUTOR UERTZ-RETZLAFF: At that time, were you the president of the RSK?<br />

BABIĆ: I was the Prime Minister of the government of the Republic of Serbian Krajina.<br />

Martić was the president.<br />

PROSECUTOR UERTZ-RETZLAFF: Why did you not simply accept it?<br />

BABIĆ: I accepted in my capacity as Prime Minister, but I informed Ambassador<br />

Galbraith that this could not be put into practice without the will and acquiescence of<br />

President Milošević.<br />

PROSECUTOR UERTZ-RETZLAFF: You said you had a telephone conversation with<br />

Mr. Milosevic on the 3rd of August, 1995. How did you reach him? Did anyone help<br />

you?<br />

BABIĆ: Yes. Jovica Stanišić did, from Jovica Stanišić’s cabinet or offi ces.<br />

PROSECUTOR UERTZ-RETZLAFF: Did you go to his offi ce, and where was it?<br />

BABIĆ: I did go to see Stanišić in his offi ce, which was located in the building of the<br />

Federal Internal Aff airs Ministry.<br />

PROSECUTOR UERTZ-RETZLAFF: Who was present? Who else was present when<br />

you saw him?<br />

BABIĆ: Radovan Stojčić aka Badža was there, and so was the head of the counterintelligence<br />

service of State Security of Serbia, a man whose name I don’t remember, but<br />

he resembled Frenki 100 .<br />

PROSECUTOR UERTZ-RETZLAFF: Is that the same man you mentioned earlier on to<br />

have seen in another meeting with Kertes 101 ?<br />

BABIĆ: Th at’s right. Th at’s the man, on the 4th of January, 1992.<br />

100 Franko Simatović<br />

101 Mihalj<br />

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