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CHAPTER 16. ATHEISM, THEISM AND REALITY A renunciate cannot impress history, he cannot leave any spectacular footprints on the sands of time. What more can history say about him than that he renounced everything? On the other hand, Krishna’s influence on India was far-reaching and profound. The truth is that with Krishna, India touched a height she never touched again. Under his leadership, the Mahabharat was the greatest war that India had ever made. Ever since, Indians have fought only petty wars and skirmishes. A unique war like the Mahabharat could be possible only under Krishna’s leadership. Generally we believe that war destroys a people. Since India did not fight any great war after the Mahabharat, she should be the most advanced and affluent country in the world today. But the fact is just the opposite: today she is one of the poorest and most backward countries. And the countries that have passed through great wars are at the pinnacle of prosperity and advancement. Wars don’t destroy a people, rather they awaken their sleeping energy and rouse their heroism. It is only in moments of war when a community touches the highest peaks of its being. It is only in moments of challenge that a people becomes fully alive and awake. After the Mahabharat we have never had another such great moment to fully come into our own. It is true that countries involved in the Second World War suffered heavily. Destruction of life and wealth was colossal. But this is only a half truth. Japan suffered terribly in the last war, but just in twenty years’ time, Japan has emerged as one of the most prosperous countries of the world. Japan’s recovery and growth is spectacular and unprecedented; she had never reached this height before. The same is true of Germany, which went through the worst of death and destruction. Not one, but two wars visited her in the lifetime of a single generation. Is it not amazing that twenty years after her defeat in the First World War Germany was again ready for the Second World War? And no one can say that in another ten years’ time she will not be ready for the Third World War. It is ironic that we emphasize only the destructive side of war and overlook its creative possibilities. War awakens our slumbering consciousness. In facing the challenges of war our energies come alive, active and creative. In fact, with destruction comes creativity; they go hand in hand in life. That is why Krishna, who lives a sensuous and colorful life, who plays the flute and loves singing and dancing. also accepts the challenges of a great war and becomes its instrument. And he delivers a spiritual sermon like the Geeta on the battleground. I For him there is no contradiction between a flute and a missile and a Geeta. People like Neminath don’t leave their mark on history. It is interesting that of the twenty-four Jaina tirthankaras only two, the first and the twenty-third, are mentioned in Hindu scriptures. About the twenty-second tirthankara, it is guessed that the person named as Ghor Angiras is no other than Neminath. Even Mahavira is not mentioned in Hindu scriptures. All the tirthankaras were charismatic and renowned, but they could not leave their mark on history. In fact sacrifice, renunciation means severance of all ties with history; it means departure from the world of events, doings and nondoings. Renunciation is the journey into a space where nothing is made and un made, where utter emptiness reigns There are things that Neminath can learn from Krishna, but he will not. And it is not necessary for him to learn from Krishna. Neminath has a great treasure of his own. He has the heritage of twenty-one tirthankaras, the essence of great spiritual experiences. He has enough provisions for Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy 318 Osho
CHAPTER 16. ATHEISM, THEISM AND REALITY his journey; he need not look for help from other quarters. So the two cousins exchange pleasantries when they meet; there is no relationship of give and take between them. Some times Krishna goes to listen when Neminath is speaking to people. This reflects Krishna’s greatness, and his eagerness to learn. And only Krishna is capable of this humility. One who is interested in every aspect of life, who loves the whole of it can go anywhere to learn, can accept anyone as his teacher. But Krishna is equally well-equipped, sufficient unto himself. There is no reason to think that Neminath can make his inner life any richer. Question 5 QUESTIONER: DID KRISHNA HAVE TO PASS THROUGH ATHEISM IN ORDER TO ATTAIN TO THE HIGHEST IN THEISM? One who is a profound theist is a profound atheist too. It is skin deep theists who fight with skin-deep atheists. Fight always happens on the surface; there is no fight at the deepest levels of life. Foolish theists quarrel with foolish atheists; an understanding and wise theist does not bother about fighting with atheists. Similarly an understanding atheist does not quarrel with the theists. Understanding, from whatever source it comes, unites. It always leads to the adwait – the one without the other. What does a theist say? He says God is. But when theism deepens, there is no God but me, I myself become God. A stupid theist, who does not know what theism really is, says God is there somewhere in the heavens. A wise theist says God is here. An atheist claims there is no God. If he is a man of deep understanding he means the same as the theist means. He says, ”There is no other God than that which is: what is, is. ” And he calls it prakriti, the pre-created, or nature. There is a saying of Nietzsche’s which is significant in this context. Nietzsche is a profound atheist; as an atheist he is as profound as any theist can be as a theist. Nietzsche says, ”If there is God I won’t be able to tolerate him, because then, where will I stand? What will happen to me?” He means to say if God is, he as a man will be reduced to nothing. Then he has no ground to stand on, and he could not tolerate it. He says, ”If God has to be, why not me? Why can’t I be that God?” Nietzsche is an atheist, and he says there is no God but existence. That which is, is God. Why think in terms of any additional God? Even a profound theist says the same thing: that which is, is God; there is no other God. I have never differentiated between penetrating theism and penetrating atheism. In reality, while the theist uses positive terms in his description of reality, the atheist uses negative terms. There is that much difference. That is why positive theists think Buddha and Mahavira to be atheists. But neither Buddha nor Mahavira will agree with this description. To superficial theists, both sankhya and yoga seem to be atheistic, but they are not. They are not atheistic in the sense they are thought to be. Their fault – if it is a fault – is that they use negative terms. Similarly persons like Krishnamurti look like atheists to superficial theists because they too use the negative language. But the difficulty is that there are only two ways of voicing reality the positive and the negative. The theist is using the positive when he says, ”That which is, is God.” And the atheist is using the negative when he says, ”That which is, is not God.” Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy 319 Osho
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CHAPTER 16. ATHEISM, THEISM AND REALITY<br />
A renunciate cannot impress history, he cannot leave any spectacular footprints on the s<strong>and</strong>s of<br />
time. What more can history say about him than that he renounced everything? On the other h<strong>and</strong>,<br />
<strong>Krishna</strong>’s influence on India was far-reaching <strong>and</strong> profound. <strong>The</strong> truth is that with <strong>Krishna</strong>, India<br />
touched a height she never touched again. Under his leadership, the Mahabharat was the greatest<br />
war that India had ever made. Ever since, Indians have fought only petty wars <strong>and</strong> skirmishes. A<br />
unique war like the Mahabharat could be possible only under <strong>Krishna</strong>’s leadership.<br />
Generally we believe that war destroys a people. Since India did not fight any great war after the<br />
Mahabharat, she should be the most advanced <strong>and</strong> affluent country in the world today. But the fact<br />
is just the opposite: today she is one of the poorest <strong>and</strong> most backward countries. And the countries<br />
that have passed through great wars are at the pinnacle of prosperity <strong>and</strong> advancement. Wars don’t<br />
destroy a people, rather they awaken their sleeping energy <strong>and</strong> rouse their heroism. It is only in<br />
moments of war when a <strong>com</strong>munity touches the highest peaks of its being. It is only in moments of<br />
challenge that a people be<strong>com</strong>es fully alive <strong>and</strong> awake. After the Mahabharat we have never had<br />
another such great moment to fully <strong>com</strong>e into our own.<br />
It is true that countries involved in the Second World War suffered heavily. Destruction of life <strong>and</strong><br />
wealth was colossal. But this is only a half truth. Japan suffered terribly in the last war, but just<br />
in twenty years’ time, Japan has emerged as one of the most prosperous countries of the world.<br />
Japan’s recovery <strong>and</strong> growth is spectacular <strong>and</strong> unprecedented; she had never reached this height<br />
before. <strong>The</strong> same is true of Germany, which went through the worst of death <strong>and</strong> destruction. Not<br />
one, but two wars visited her in the lifetime of a single generation.<br />
Is it not amazing that twenty years after her defeat in the First World War Germany was again ready<br />
for the Second World War? And no one can say that in another ten years’ time she will not be ready<br />
for the Third World War. It is ironic that we emphasize only the destructive side of war <strong>and</strong> overlook<br />
its creative possibilities. War awakens our slumbering consciousness. In facing the challenges of<br />
war our energies <strong>com</strong>e alive, active <strong>and</strong> creative. In fact, with destruction <strong>com</strong>es creativity; they go<br />
h<strong>and</strong> in h<strong>and</strong> in life.<br />
That is why <strong>Krishna</strong>, who lives a sensuous <strong>and</strong> colorful life, who plays the flute <strong>and</strong> loves singing <strong>and</strong><br />
dancing. also accepts the challenges of a great war <strong>and</strong> be<strong>com</strong>es its instrument. And he delivers<br />
a spiritual sermon like the Geeta on the battleground. I For him there is no contradiction between a<br />
flute <strong>and</strong> a missile <strong>and</strong> a Geeta.<br />
People like Neminath don’t leave their mark on history. It is interesting that of the twenty-four Jaina<br />
tirthankaras only two, the first <strong>and</strong> the twenty-third, are mentioned in Hindu scriptures. About the<br />
twenty-second tirthankara, it is guessed that the person named as Ghor Angiras is no other than<br />
Neminath. Even Mahavira is not mentioned in Hindu scriptures. All the tirthankaras were charismatic<br />
<strong>and</strong> renowned, but they could not leave their mark on history. In fact sacrifice, renunciation means<br />
severance of all ties with history; it means departure from the world of events, doings <strong>and</strong> nondoings.<br />
Renunciation is the journey into a space where nothing is made <strong>and</strong> un made, where utter<br />
emptiness reigns<br />
<strong>The</strong>re are things that Neminath can learn from <strong>Krishna</strong>, but he will not. And it is not necessary<br />
for him to learn from <strong>Krishna</strong>. Neminath has a great treasure of his own. He has the heritage of<br />
twenty-one tirthankaras, the essence of great spiritual experiences. He has enough provisions for<br />
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