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CHAPTER 16. ATHEISM, THEISM AND REALITY seeker’s attachments to his family and possessions, they invariably come in the form of his first experiences of meditation itself. The dangers that a seeker faces are more internal than external. These experiences are so delightful, so blissful that one wants to cling to them forever. Not only Arvind. but thousands of people have mistaken the stopover for the destination. If a caravanserai gives a traveler such comforts and happiness that he has never known before, it is not surprising if he quits his journey and makes a home of the caravanserai. There is plenty of evidence that Arvind’s meditation never went an inch beyond what he had learned from Lele. For the rest of his life he taught his disciples and others the same rudiments of meditation that Lele had taught him in those first three days. Whoever went to him for guidance in meditation received Lele’s wine in Arvind!s bottle. There was nothing of his own, except that he, being an accomplished intellectual and a master of words, explained them in a sophisticated way and elaborated them into thousands of pages. I have scanned all his writings to see if he has said anything more than what he had borrowed from Lele, and I say he does not add anything worthwhile to Lele’s teachings. Lele was a simple man and said what he had to say simply. Arvind, on the other hand, is a complex man who can turn even a simple idea into a complicated treatise. But all he taught was simple witnessing. And I believe Arvind lost even that which he had learned from Lele, and got involved in useless sophistry. You will be amazed to know what Lele later said to Arvind: ”You are a fallen man. You have lost whatever meditation you had achieved and now you are engaged in a jugglery of words – which is what doctrinaire discussion is – and it has nothing to do with real experiencing.” This statement of Lele’s is very revealing, but Arvind’s followers do not mention it in their discussions and deliberations about their master. It comes from the person who gave Arvind his first lessons in meditation, and perhaps the last too. And therefore it says a lot about him. When Lele met Arvind for the second time, he advised him not to get entangled in writing philosophical treatises. He had yet to know truth, about which he had started writing volumes. But Arvind paid no attention to Lele; he just brushed him aside. So it is natural that his followers ignore Lele’s comments about their master. I said a little while ago that because original ideas are discovered by individuals they are likely to go haywire. This does not mean they invariably go wrong, but the chances of their going wrong cannot be minimized. I also said that the contrary is the case with traditional ideas and beliefs. It is true that with the passage of time such ideas and concepts become fossilized and dead, but there is every possibility that even these stinking fossils hide in themselves some great truths. Otherwise it would be impossible for a people to carry on with dead and stinking fossils of belief for centuries upon centuries. Undoubtedly a diamond lies buried in them, but we fail to see it. For this reason people cling to traditional beliefs with such tenacity that we are baffled. I would like to explain another thing which is very relevant here. Arvind says that his concept of the supramental has its source in the Vedas – which is simply a travesty of truth. Down the centuries a very corrupt practice, an immoral act, has been perpetrated by persons who would least be expected to take part in it. Whenever someone has discovered something new and original he has not had the courage to claim it as his own. Why? First, because this country knows that new ideas carry with them the possibility of being wrong. So it became a tradition to find corroboration and support Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy 302 Osho

CHAPTER 16. ATHEISM, THEISM AND REALITY for every new idea from old and respectable scriptures. Everyone who came upon something new had to claim its origin in the Vedas, the UPANISHADS, the Brahmasutra. And for this reason right interpretations of these scriptures became difficult. Everyone indiscriminately imposes his own ideas and interpretations on these helpless scriptures. This is no different than a new business using the ”good will” of old and established firms. Evidently no one cared to know what the Vedas or the UPANISHADS really had to say; everyone imposed his own interpretations on them with impunity. So Shankara interprets the UPANISHADS in one way and Nimbarka interprets just the contrary way. So Dayananda interprets the Vedas to conform to his own ideas, and Arvind does it quite differently to suit his beliefs. which are different from Dayananda’s. They have made a mess of these great scriptures; they have virtually debauched and defiled them. The Vedas, the UPANISHADS and the Brahmasutra have suffered terribly down the ages at the hands of their interpreters. The same has been the fate of the Geeta. Whoever wants to have his say claims the support of these scriptures, and does everything in his power to impose his meanings on them. In my view this is nothing but intellectual prostitution, and it has existed in India for thousands of years. Because no one had the courage to say his thing, on his own authority, they had to take shelter in the VEDAS, the UPANISHADS, and the Geeta. And this dishonest practice stemmed from a lack of self-confidence on the part of the great minds of India. Honesty demands that if Arvind has stumbled upon a truth, he should say it on his own regardless of what the VEDAS say. Even if all the scriptures say the opposite, he should fearlessly state his own vision. But if he is not certain of his own ideas, he has no way but to seek the support of the VEDAS, the UPANISHADS and the GEETA. Then he will have to use them as his soldiers to win the battle of debates. Please bear in mind that the seers of the VEDAS and the UPANISHADS do not seek any such support for themselves, they say on their own whatever they have to say. Their statements are straight, bold and emphatic. The author of the Brahmasutra does not quote authorities to support his viewpoint; he says positively this is his vision of truth. But after the Vedas, UPANISHADS and the Brahmasutra, the intellectual standard of India began to decline and it makes a long, sad story spanning thousands of years. Since then no one dared say his thing on his own authority as the seers of old had. Then everyone sought the support of the trinity of the UPANISHADS, the Brahmasutra and the Geeta. Straightforward and honest utterances became rare. And Arvind is the last link in that long chain of India’s intellectual decline. For this reason, I say Raman and Krishnamurti are much more honest; they don’t seek support from the Vedas or anything else. Honesty means that when you err you take the responsibility, instead of passing it on to others, to the Vedas. Honesty means that when you find some right thing, some truth, you say it even if the whole world is against it. Only then will posterity be in a position to judge if there is substance in what you have known. But until recently, utter confusion has prevailed in the world of philosophical ideas and concepts. In my view, India’s philosophy has failed to follow the honest course of development of its counterpart in the West. If Socrates says something, he says it on his own authority; he does not try to prop himself up by the weight of his predecessors. Similarly, if Kant and Wittgenstein say something, they do so on their own; they don’t claim the authority of Socrates or anyone else. Western philosophy is much more honest than ours. And it is out of this honest way of thinking that science was born in the Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy 303 Osho

CHAPTER 16. ATHEISM, THEISM AND REALITY<br />

for every new idea from old <strong>and</strong> respectable scriptures. Everyone who came upon something new<br />

had to claim its origin in the Vedas, the UPANISHADS, the Brahmasutra. And for this reason right<br />

interpretations of these scriptures became difficult. Everyone indiscriminately imposes his own ideas<br />

<strong>and</strong> interpretations on these helpless scriptures. This is no different than a new business using the<br />

”good will” of old <strong>and</strong> established firms.<br />

Evidently no one cared to know what the Vedas or the UPANISHADS really had to say; everyone<br />

imposed his own interpretations on them with impunity. So Shankara interprets the UPANISHADS<br />

in one way <strong>and</strong> Nimbarka interprets just the contrary way. So Dayan<strong>and</strong>a interprets the Vedas to<br />

conform to his own ideas, <strong>and</strong> Arvind does it quite differently to suit his beliefs. which are different<br />

from Dayan<strong>and</strong>a’s. <strong>The</strong>y have made a mess of these great scriptures; they have virtually debauched<br />

<strong>and</strong> defiled them. <strong>The</strong> Vedas, the UPANISHADS <strong>and</strong> the Brahmasutra have suffered terribly down<br />

the ages at the h<strong>and</strong>s of their interpreters. <strong>The</strong> same has been the fate of the Geeta. Whoever<br />

wants to have his say claims the support of these scriptures, <strong>and</strong> does everything in his power to<br />

impose his meanings on them.<br />

In my view this is nothing but intellectual prostitution, <strong>and</strong> it has existed in India for thous<strong>and</strong>s of<br />

years. Because no one had the courage to say his thing, on his own authority, they had to take<br />

shelter in the VEDAS, the UPANISHADS, <strong>and</strong> the Geeta. And this dishonest practice stemmed from<br />

a lack of self-confidence on the part of the great minds of India. Honesty dem<strong>and</strong>s that if Arvind<br />

has stumbled upon a truth, he should say it on his own regardless of what the VEDAS say. Even if<br />

all the scriptures say the opposite, he should fearlessly state his own vision. But if he is not certain<br />

of his own ideas, he has no way but to seek the support of the VEDAS, the UPANISHADS <strong>and</strong> the<br />

GEETA. <strong>The</strong>n he will have to use them as his soldiers to win the battle of debates.<br />

Please bear in mind that the seers of the VEDAS <strong>and</strong> the UPANISHADS do not seek any such<br />

support for themselves, they say on their own whatever they have to say. <strong>The</strong>ir statements are<br />

straight, bold <strong>and</strong> emphatic. <strong>The</strong> author of the Brahmasutra does not quote authorities to support<br />

his viewpoint; he says positively this is his vision of truth. But after the Vedas, UPANISHADS <strong>and</strong><br />

the Brahmasutra, the intellectual st<strong>and</strong>ard of India began to decline <strong>and</strong> it makes a long, sad story<br />

spanning thous<strong>and</strong>s of years. Since then no one dared say his thing on his own authority as<br />

the seers of old had. <strong>The</strong>n everyone sought the support of the trinity of the UPANISHADS, the<br />

Brahmasutra <strong>and</strong> the Geeta. Straightforward <strong>and</strong> honest utterances became rare. And Arvind is the<br />

last link in that long chain of India’s intellectual decline.<br />

For this reason, I say Raman <strong>and</strong> <strong>Krishna</strong>murti are much more honest; they don’t seek support from<br />

the Vedas or anything else. Honesty means that when you err you take the responsibility, instead<br />

of passing it on to others, to the Vedas. Honesty means that when you find some right thing, some<br />

truth, you say it even if the whole world is against it. Only then will posterity be in a position to judge<br />

if there is substance in what you have known. But until recently, utter confusion has prevailed in the<br />

world of philosophical ideas <strong>and</strong> concepts.<br />

In my view, India’s philosophy has failed to follow the honest course of development of its counterpart<br />

in the West. If Socrates says something, he says it on his own authority; he does not try to prop<br />

himself up by the weight of his predecessors. Similarly, if Kant <strong>and</strong> Wittgenstein say something, they<br />

do so on their own; they don’t claim the authority of Socrates or anyone else. Western philosophy is<br />

much more honest than ours. And it is out of this honest way of thinking that science was born in the<br />

<strong>Krishna</strong>: <strong>The</strong> <strong>Man</strong> <strong>and</strong> <strong>His</strong> <strong>Philosophy</strong> 303 <strong>Osho</strong>

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