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CHAPTER 15. LIFE AFTER DEATH AND REBIRTH Now an image, an icon of his wave form – Krishna the man – can be used to come in contact with his oceanic form, with Krishna-consciousness. But when you will really come in contact with Krishnaconsciousness, this image, this symbol of Krishna will disappear and only the superconsciousness will remain with you. While it is true that his statue can be used for connecting with Krishna’s superconsciousness, if someone sees only visions of Krishna and does not experience his consciousness, then it is merely a case of mental projection and nothing else. The experience of Krishna-consciousness does not happen by way of visions and images. It is pure consciousness without any shape or form. We associate Krishna’s name with it because a person loves Krishna and comes to this consciousness with the help of his image. Another person can come to it with the help of Buddha’s image, and he can call it Buddha-consciousness. It can he called Christ-consciousness if someone attains it through the image of Christ. Names don’t matter; the real thing is the oceanic consciousness, which is without name and form. Arvind’s experience of Krishna-visions is concerned with Krishna’s image, his physical form. He says that Krishna appeared before him in physical form. This is simply a case of mental projection. Of course such an experience is pleasant and gratifying, but it is nonetheless a projection of our mind. It is an extension of desire; it is exactly dreamstuff. It is our mind’s creation. We can begin with the mind, but we have to go beyond the mind. The journey begins with the mind, and ends with the no-mind, cessation of the mind. It is significant to know that the mind is the world of words, forms and images; words, forms and images constitute the mind. And where forms and images disappear the mind disappears on its own. There is no way for the mind to exist without words, forms and images. The mind cannot exist in emptiness, in void; it lives on the determined, the concrete. The moment the concrete world comes to an end, the mind itself comes to an end. Krishna-consciousness is attained only when the mind ceases to be; it is a state of no-mind. Whoever says he has encountered Krishna in his physical form is a victim of mental projection; he is projecting his own mental images on the vast screen of universal consciousness and viewing the objective reality. It is like a movie projector projects fast moving pictures on all empty screen; there is really nothing on the screen except shadows. Such visions are not a spiritual experience, they are wholly psychic. They are, however, very gratifying; a Krishna devotee is bound to be overjoyed to see visions of one he has been desiring to see all his life. But remember, it is only a kind of happiness, not bliss. Nor can you call it an experience of truth. I don’t mean to cay that Arvind’s experience is not real, but he describes it in the way of a scholar, an intellectual. And this makes the experience appear to be one of mental projection. It is not difficult to distinguish a real experience, an experience of the oceanic consciousness from the one that is projected or imagined. An oceanic experience is everlasting; once it comes it comes forever, and it wipes out all other experiences from your mind. It really wipes out the mind itself. One blessed with such an experience sees the divine everywhere – in trees and rocks, in streams and rivers, in mountains and stars. But so far as projected visions are concerned, they appear and disappear, they never last. They are transient, momentary. Being an intellectual, Arvind is not able to portray it rightly; for a man of intellect such a task becomes difficult. But there is another side of Arvind which is poetic. He is not only an intellectual but also a great poet. As a poet he is not less than Rabindranath Tagore. If he failed to receive the Nobel Prize, it Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy 284 Osho
CHAPTER 15. LIFE AFTER DEATH AND REBIRTH was not because he did not deserve it, but because his poetry is much too complex and difficult to understand. His savitri ranks among the great epics of the world; there are hardly ten great epics of the stature of Savitri. And unlike the scholar, the poet in Arvind is quite capable of seeing Krishna’s visions. Ironically, Arvind has expressed this experience strictly in terms of logic and reason, which is of course natural. And his account of the experience does not have the flavor of the transconscious. We use words in two ways. In one way the word is kept within the confines of its known meaning; it conveys only that which is conveyed by its meaning. It fails to go beyond its own limitations. In the other way, the word used communicates much more than its given meaning. The word itself may be small, but its meaning is vast; the meaning is larger than the word itself. Arvind’s way is quite different; while he uses big words, he fails to communicate any great meaning through them. He is known for his long words and lengthy sentences. That is why he always ends up as a philosopher. When words really take off, when they transcend their given meaning, they enter a world of mystery, they become a vehicle for the transcendental experience. Such words are pregnant with tremendous meaning; they are like fingers pointing to the moon. Arvind’s words are not that pregnant, they don’t have an arrow directed toward the beyond. His words never transcend their given meaning. And there are reasons for it. As I said this morning, Arvind was educated in the West at a time when, like Darwin in science, Hegel was the most dominant influence in philosophy. And Hegel is also known for the pompous language replete with big words and complex phrases in his treatises. Going through Hegel’s works one has a sense of profundity about them in the beginning. We tend to think that what we don’t understand must be very profound. But it is not necessarily so, although it is true that profound things are difficult to under stand. So many people use obscure words and elaborate phrases to create an impression of depth on their listeners and readers. Hegel is a case in point: his language is very complex, devious and bombastic – full of lengthy, explanatory statements enclosed within brackets. But as scholarship gained maturity in Europe, Hegel’s reputation declined in the same measure, and people came to know that he knew much less than he pretended. Arvind’s way of expression is Hegelian, and like Hegel he is also a systematizer. He too has not much to say, and so he has to say it in a great many words, and long and involved sentences at that. Expression has to have a logical and rational buildup. But if it says something which goes beyond it then it means the person saying it has known that which lies beyond words. But if he exhausts himself in his words, which say nothing more than what they mean, then it is clear he is only a knowledgeable person. Going through all of Arvind’s works you are left with a feeling that they are wordy; there is nothing experiential about them. If someone who knows something of the beyond keeps silent, even his silence will be eloquent. But in the absence of such an experience, even a million words will prove to be a wastage. When you say something, you have to say it logically, but if your ”something” is experiential it will leave its flavor, its perfume in your every word and metaphor. Not only that, your words will also say that they could not say what they really wanted to say. As far as Arvind is concerned, it seems he has said much more than was worth saying. In this context I recall a significant event from the life of Rabindranath, which will help you to understand the thing better. The great poet is on his deathbed, and an intimate friend has come to Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy 285 Osho
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CHAPTER 15. LIFE AFTER DEATH AND REBIRTH<br />
Now an image, an icon of his wave form – <strong>Krishna</strong> the man – can be used to <strong>com</strong>e in contact with his<br />
oceanic form, with <strong>Krishna</strong>-consciousness. But when you will really <strong>com</strong>e in contact with <strong>Krishna</strong>consciousness,<br />
this image, this symbol of <strong>Krishna</strong> will disappear <strong>and</strong> only the superconsciousness<br />
will remain with you. While it is true that his statue can be used for connecting with <strong>Krishna</strong>’s<br />
superconsciousness, if someone sees only visions of <strong>Krishna</strong> <strong>and</strong> does not experience his<br />
consciousness, then it is merely a case of mental projection <strong>and</strong> nothing else.<br />
<strong>The</strong> experience of <strong>Krishna</strong>-consciousness does not happen by way of visions <strong>and</strong> images. It is pure<br />
consciousness without any shape or form. We associate <strong>Krishna</strong>’s name with it because a person<br />
loves <strong>Krishna</strong> <strong>and</strong> <strong>com</strong>es to this consciousness with the help of his image. Another person can<br />
<strong>com</strong>e to it with the help of Buddha’s image, <strong>and</strong> he can call it Buddha-consciousness. It can he<br />
called Christ-consciousness if someone attains it through the image of Christ. Names don’t matter;<br />
the real thing is the oceanic consciousness, which is without name <strong>and</strong> form.<br />
Arvind’s experience of <strong>Krishna</strong>-visions is concerned with <strong>Krishna</strong>’s image, his physical form. He<br />
says that <strong>Krishna</strong> appeared before him in physical form. This is simply a case of mental projection.<br />
Of course such an experience is pleasant <strong>and</strong> gratifying, but it is nonetheless a projection of our<br />
mind. It is an extension of desire; it is exactly dreamstuff. It is our mind’s creation.<br />
We can begin with the mind, but we have to go beyond the mind. <strong>The</strong> journey begins with the mind,<br />
<strong>and</strong> ends with the no-mind, cessation of the mind. It is significant to know that the mind is the world<br />
of words, forms <strong>and</strong> images; words, forms <strong>and</strong> images constitute the mind. And where forms <strong>and</strong><br />
images disappear the mind disappears on its own. <strong>The</strong>re is no way for the mind to exist without<br />
words, forms <strong>and</strong> images. <strong>The</strong> mind cannot exist in emptiness, in void; it lives on the determined,<br />
the concrete. <strong>The</strong> moment the concrete world <strong>com</strong>es to an end, the mind itself <strong>com</strong>es to an end.<br />
<strong>Krishna</strong>-consciousness is attained only when the mind ceases to be; it is a state of no-mind.<br />
Whoever says he has encountered <strong>Krishna</strong> in his physical form is a victim of mental projection; he<br />
is projecting his own mental images on the vast screen of universal consciousness <strong>and</strong> viewing the<br />
objective reality. It is like a movie projector projects fast moving pictures on all empty screen; there<br />
is really nothing on the screen except shadows. Such visions are not a spiritual experience, they<br />
are wholly psychic. <strong>The</strong>y are, however, very gratifying; a <strong>Krishna</strong> devotee is bound to be overjoyed<br />
to see visions of one he has been desiring to see all his life. But remember, it is only a kind of<br />
happiness, not bliss. Nor can you call it an experience of truth.<br />
I don’t mean to cay that Arvind’s experience is not real, but he describes it in the way of a scholar, an<br />
intellectual. And this makes the experience appear to be one of mental projection. It is not difficult<br />
to distinguish a real experience, an experience of the oceanic consciousness from the one that is<br />
projected or imagined. An oceanic experience is everlasting; once it <strong>com</strong>es it <strong>com</strong>es forever, <strong>and</strong><br />
it wipes out all other experiences from your mind. It really wipes out the mind itself. One blessed<br />
with such an experience sees the divine everywhere – in trees <strong>and</strong> rocks, in streams <strong>and</strong> rivers, in<br />
mountains <strong>and</strong> stars. But so far as projected visions are concerned, they appear <strong>and</strong> disappear,<br />
they never last. <strong>The</strong>y are transient, momentary. Being an intellectual, Arvind is not able to portray it<br />
rightly; for a man of intellect such a task be<strong>com</strong>es difficult.<br />
But there is another side of Arvind which is poetic. He is not only an intellectual but also a great<br />
poet. As a poet he is not less than Rabindranath Tagore. If he failed to receive the Nobel Prize, it<br />
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