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CHAPTER 10. SPIRITUALISM, RELIGION AND POLITICS The news of this event in the River Jordan spread like wildfire all over the country, and people came to know that the messiah had arrived. And that very day John disappeared and nobody ever heard of him again. John’s disappearance was the real declaration of the coming of the messiah, because he had gone to every village saying that the messiah was com ing and the day he would come, John would disappear He said that he was only the forerunner of the messiah; he was there only to prepare the way for his coming, and that he would leave the world when the messiah came So John’s disappearance announced that Christ, the messiah, had arrived. Now people began to ask Jesus if he was the messiah. And he could not have lied to them; he said that he was the one they were waiting for, he was the one who was there everlastingly, who was there even before their first messiah Abraham was. When people inquired, he had to tell them this much. Question 5 QUESTIONER: THE LINE OF HINDU INCARNATIONS BEGINS WITH THE FISH AND CONTINUES THROUGH RAMA, KRISHNA, AND BUDDHA. EVEN THE COMING INCARNATION, TO BE KNOWN AS KALKI, IS INCLUDED IN THIS SERIES. BUT HOW IS IT THAT IN THIS LONG LINE OF INCARNATIONS KRISHNA IS SAID TO BE THE COMPLETE INCARNATION OF GOD, ALTHOUGH BUDDHA HAPPENED LONG AFTER HIM? WHY WAS BUDDHA DERIVED THIS HONOR? AND WHAT, FROM THE VIEWPOINT OF EVOLUTION, IS THE SECRET OF KRISHNA PRECEDING BUDDHA? IS IT SO BECAUSE THE MOVEMENT OF TIME IS CIRCULAR? Even a partial incarnation of God is as good as the complete one. It makes no difference as far as incarnation is concerned. An incarnation means that divine consciousness has become manifest. In how many dimensions it manifests itself is another matter. Krishna is a complete incarnation in the sense that divine energy has become manifest in all dimensions of his life. Buddha’s incarnation is not that complete, nor is the coming incarnation of Kalki going to be. As far as the descent of divine energy is concerned, the process of descent is going to be complete in the case of every incarnation, but it may not touch every dimension of a man’s life. And there are many reasons for it. In the ordinary process of evolution, completion should happen at the end. But incarnation is outside this process of evolution. Incarnation means descent from the beyond; it is not a part of the evolutionary process, where something grows with evolution. Incarnation comes from some space that is beyond evolution. Try to understand it: We are all sitting here with closed eyes, and the sun has risen in the East. If someone opens his eyes partially he will see light partially. And another person will see light fully if he opens his eyes fully. The same person can go through both processes – now opening his eyes partially and then opening them fully. And he can do it any time he likes; there is no evolutionary process involved, no compulsion. Krishna’s life is open, fully open on all sides; he can take in the whole of the divine. Buddha’s life is partially open; he can take in the divine only partially. If today someone exposes himself fully to the divine, he will have the whole of it. And if tomorrow someone closes himself, he will wholly miss the divine. No evolutionary process is involved. This process is applicable only in a general way; you cannot apply it to individual cases. Twenty-five hundred years have passed since Buddha, but a man of our times cannot say that he is more evolved than Buddha. Of course, we can say that our society is more evolved than Buddha’s society. Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy 182 Osho
CHAPTER 10. SPIRITUALISM, RELIGION AND POLITICS In fact, evolution takes place at two levels – one at the level of groups and the other at the level of individuals. An individual can always overtake his society; he can move ahead of his time by his own effort. And those who do not try to grow on their own will drag their feet with the rest of their society. Also, all members of a group do not evolve uniformly; each individual has his different way of growth. So many people are sitting here, but not everyone is on the same rung of the ladder of growth. Someone is on the first rung, another is on the tenth and a third can be at the top. General rules are applicable only to groups. For example, we can say how many persons died annually in traffic accidents in Delhi during the last ten years. If fifty have died in the current year, forty-five died last year, and forty the year before last, we can predict that next year fifty-five people are going to die in traffic accidents. And this forecast will prove true to a large extent. But we cannot say who these fifty-five people will be individually. We cannot ferret them out and identify them. They are an unknown persons. And if the population of Delhi is two million, this figure of fifty-five will vary a little. But if the population is two hundred million, fifty-five will remain fifty-five; there will not be the least variation. The larger the group, the greater the chances of making correct statistical forecasts about them. General rules are applicable only to groups, not to individuals. Evolution is a collective process, and an individual can always come ahead of this process. A single bird’s chirping can herald the coming of the spring, but it takes time before all the birds begin to sing. A single blossom can say that spring is on its way, but it takes time for all the flowers to bloom. Spring is really full only when all flowers have bloomed, but even a single blossom can say it is com ing. Individual flowers can bloom both before and after the spring, but collective flowering happens only in the spring. Krishna’s becoming a complete incarnation even though he happened midway in the long line of incarnations, shows that his life was fully open from all sides, all its dimensions were available to divine consciousness. Buddha is not that open in all his dimensions. And remember, Buddha must have wanted it that way, it was his own choice. If somebody asks him to complete himself because he has the possibility to be a Krishna, he will refuse. Buddha has chosen not to be so; it is not that Buddha falls behind Krishna in any way. Buddha has decided to be the way he is, and so has Krishna. And in this respect they are their own men, masters of their own destinies. Buddha comes to his flowering the way he wants it. Krishna chooses to come to complete flowering, because it is his nature. And in its own dimension Buddha’s flowering is as complete. There is no sequence of evolution in the matter of incarnations. The law of evolution does not operate on individuals; it operates only on groups. Question 6 QUESTIONER: KRISHNA PUT UP WITH NINE HUNDRED AND NINETY-NINE INVECTIVES HURLED ON HIM BY KING SHISHUPAL, BUT HE KILLED HIM WITH HIS CHAKRA – A WHEEL- LIKE WEAPON – WHEN THE KING FIRED HIS LAST INVECTIVE. DOES IT NOT SHOW THAT KRISHNA’S TOLERANCE IS ONLY SKIN DEEP, THAT DEEP DOWN HE WAS INTOLERANT? It can appear so, because we all have only skin deep tolerance. If I lose my temper on the fourth foul word hurled at me, it means I had lost it with the very first one, but somehow I put up with three Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy 183 Osho
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CHAPTER 10. SPIRITUALISM, RELIGION AND POLITICS<br />
<strong>The</strong> news of this event in the River Jordan spread like wildfire all over the country, <strong>and</strong> people came<br />
to know that the messiah had arrived. And that very day John disappeared <strong>and</strong> nobody ever heard<br />
of him again. John’s disappearance was the real declaration of the <strong>com</strong>ing of the messiah, because<br />
he had gone to every village saying that the messiah was <strong>com</strong> ing <strong>and</strong> the day he would <strong>com</strong>e,<br />
John would disappear He said that he was only the forerunner of the messiah; he was there only<br />
to prepare the way for his <strong>com</strong>ing, <strong>and</strong> that he would leave the world when the messiah came So<br />
John’s disappearance announced that Christ, the messiah, had arrived. Now people began to ask<br />
Jesus if he was the messiah. And he could not have lied to them; he said that he was the one they<br />
were waiting for, he was the one who was there everlastingly, who was there even before their first<br />
messiah Abraham was.<br />
When people inquired, he had to tell them this much.<br />
Question 5<br />
QUESTIONER: THE LINE OF HINDU INCARNATIONS BEGINS WITH THE FISH AND<br />
CONTINUES THROUGH RAMA, KRISHNA, AND BUDDHA. EVEN THE COMING INCARNATION,<br />
TO BE KNOWN AS KALKI, IS INCLUDED IN THIS SERIES. BUT HOW IS IT THAT IN THIS LONG<br />
LINE OF INCARNATIONS KRISHNA IS SAID TO BE THE COMPLETE INCARNATION OF GOD,<br />
ALTHOUGH BUDDHA HAPPENED LONG AFTER HIM? WHY WAS BUDDHA DERIVED THIS<br />
HONOR? AND WHAT, FROM THE VIEWPOINT OF EVOLUTION, IS THE SECRET OF KRISHNA<br />
PRECEDING BUDDHA? IS IT SO BECAUSE THE MOVEMENT OF TIME IS CIRCULAR?<br />
Even a partial incarnation of God is as good as the <strong>com</strong>plete one. It makes no difference as far as<br />
incarnation is concerned. An incarnation means that divine consciousness has be<strong>com</strong>e manifest.<br />
In how many dimensions it manifests itself is another matter. <strong>Krishna</strong> is a <strong>com</strong>plete incarnation in<br />
the sense that divine energy has be<strong>com</strong>e manifest in all dimensions of his life. Buddha’s incarnation<br />
is not that <strong>com</strong>plete, nor is the <strong>com</strong>ing incarnation of Kalki going to be. As far as the descent of<br />
divine energy is concerned, the process of descent is going to be <strong>com</strong>plete in the case of every<br />
incarnation, but it may not touch every dimension of a man’s life. And there are many reasons for it.<br />
In the ordinary process of evolution, <strong>com</strong>pletion should happen at the end. But incarnation is<br />
outside this process of evolution. Incarnation means descent from the beyond; it is not a part of<br />
the evolutionary process, where something grows with evolution. Incarnation <strong>com</strong>es from some<br />
space that is beyond evolution. Try to underst<strong>and</strong> it: We are all sitting here with closed eyes, <strong>and</strong><br />
the sun has risen in the East. If someone opens his eyes partially he will see light partially. And<br />
another person will see light fully if he opens his eyes fully. <strong>The</strong> same person can go through both<br />
processes – now opening his eyes partially <strong>and</strong> then opening them fully. And he can do it any time<br />
he likes; there is no evolutionary process involved, no <strong>com</strong>pulsion.<br />
<strong>Krishna</strong>’s life is open, fully open on all sides; he can take in the whole of the divine. Buddha’s life<br />
is partially open; he can take in the divine only partially. If today someone exposes himself fully to<br />
the divine, he will have the whole of it. And if tomorrow someone closes himself, he will wholly miss<br />
the divine. No evolutionary process is involved. This process is applicable only in a general way;<br />
you cannot apply it to individual cases. Twenty-five hundred years have passed since Buddha, but<br />
a man of our times cannot say that he is more evolved than Buddha. Of course, we can say that our<br />
society is more evolved than Buddha’s society.<br />
<strong>Krishna</strong>: <strong>The</strong> <strong>Man</strong> <strong>and</strong> <strong>His</strong> <strong>Philosophy</strong> 182 <strong>Osho</strong>