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CHAPTER 10. SPIRITUALISM, RELIGION AND POLITICS them. If the means were right, then why did he not achieve his ends? What was the difficulty? If the means are right, there should be no difficulty in achieving the end. No, means can never be wholly pure. It is like putting a straight rod of wood in the water – it becomes slightly crooked. There is no way to keep the rod straight in the water. Not that the rod actually becomes crooked in the water, it just appears so. The medium of water makes the rod crooked to look at. It is straight again when you take it out of the water. In this vast world of relativity, everything is slightly crooked; it is in the very nature of things. So it is not a question of being straight and simple, it is just a question of being crooked and complex as little as possible. And to me, Krishna is the least crooked and complex person there is. It is ironic, however, that to the ordinary mind Krishna appears to be crooked and complex and Gandhi appears to be straight and simple. To me, Gandhi seems to be a very crooked and complex personality. In comparison with him, Krishna is far more straight and simple. Gandhi has a knack of making a complexity of every simple thing. If he has to coerce someone else, he will begin by coercing himself. To hurt others he will hurt himself. His ways of coercion are indirect and devious. If Krishna has to punish someone he will do it straight, he will not take a devious course like Gan&i. But we are in the habit of looking at things very superficially, and we go by our superficial impressions. Question 3 QUESTIONER: THERE WAS A KING NAMED PONDRAK IN THE TIMES OF KRISHNA. THIS MAN HAD DECLARED KRISHNA TO BE A FAKE AND HIMSELF TO BE THE REAL KRISHNA. CAN YOU SAY IF SIMILAR THINGS HAVE HAPPENED IN THE LIVES OF BUDDHA, MAHAVIRA AND OTHER ENLIGHTENED BEINGS? Yes, they did happen. In the times of Mahavira, a man named Goshalak had declared that he, not Mahavira, was the real tirthankara. The Jews crucified Jesus on the basis that a carpenter’s son was falsely claiming to be a Messiah; he was not real. The real messiah was yet to come. The Jewish tradition believed that a messiah would come; many past prophets like Ezekiel and Isaiah had predicted it. Just before the birth of Jesus, John the Baptist had gone from village to village announcing that the messiah is on his way who will redeem all people. And then a young man named Jesus came on the scene declaring that he was the messiah. But the Jews refused to accept him; instead they crucified him, on the grounds that he was a fake, he was not the real messiah. No other person except Jesus claimed to be the messiah, but any number of people claimed that Jesus was not the messiah. Why? They said that to be acknowledged as their messiah, a person would have to fulfill certain conditions. He would have to perform a few miracles. One of the miracles to be performed was that the messiah would come down from the cross alive. The Jews believed that descending alive from the cross would be enough of a miracle to make them accept him as their messiah. Now Christians believe that the resurrection of Jesus happened on the third day after the crucifixion. They say that after three days, two women devotees of Jesus saw him alive. But his opponents don’t Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy 180 Osho
CHAPTER 10. SPIRITUALISM, RELIGION AND POLITICS accept it; they say these two women were so much in love with Jesus that they could see Jesus in fantasy, it could not be real. There is nothing on record in the whole of Jewish scriptures that Jesus came down from the cross alive, that he fulfilled that condition of being their messiah. Jews are still waiting for the coming of the messiah their prophets predicted. But Goshalak made a clear and emphatic claim to be the real tirthankara in place of Mahavira. There were many people who accepted Goshalak as the tirthankara, and their number was not small, it was large. And the controversy lasted long, because Jaina tradition believed that the twenty-fourth tirthankara, who would be the last in a long line of tirthankaras, was coming. So Goshalak staked his claim and a large group of Jainas accepted him as such. Apart from Goshalak, there were about six contemporaries of Mahavira who were believed by their followers to be the twenty-fourth tirthankara. They did not openly state their claim as Goshalak did, but their followers believed they were. Sanjay Vilethiputta and Ajit Keshkambal were among a half dozen people who were believed to be tirthankaras. Even Buddha’s devotees thought that Buddha was the real tirthankara; they often scoffed at Mahavira. It is always possible that when a person like Krishna is born, or is being awaited according to certain predictions made in the past, many people will claim that exalted position, there is no difficulty in it. But time is what finally decides who the rightful claimant is. The truth is that when one claims to be something, it shows clearly that he is not the right person. Only a wrong person claims to be something that he is not. Krishna does not need to claim to be Krishna, he IS Krishna. The very fact that someone claims to be Krishna shows that he is a pretender, that his being is not enough. He has to claim it to be so. Mahavira does not claim that he is a tirthankara, he is it. But Goshalak has to lay claim to it, because he himself is in doubt. In fact, it is our feeling of inferiority that leads us to claim to be this or that. If someone claims to be a saint it clearly means that he is not a saint; he will be just the contrary to what he claims. But it is just natural and human that such claims are made. Question 4 QUESTIONER: WHY DID JESUS CLAIM? Jesus did not. He did not claim that he was the messiah. His claims were quite different. In fact, his claims don’t come in the form of statements; he claimed through his being. People recognized that he was the messiah. As I mentioned earlier, john the Baptist, a rare sage, had declared that the messiah was coming and he was his messenger. He also said that the day the messiah would arrive he, the messenger, would depart from the world. He lived on the banks of the River Jordan and initiated people in the water of that river. Thousands of people were initiated by him. Jesus too, had his initiation from John the Baptist. When Jesus was standing in water up to his neck, John initiated him and then said, ”Now, you should begin your work and I go.” Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy 181 Osho
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accept it; they say these two women were so much in love with Jesus that they could see Jesus in<br />
fantasy, it could not be real. <strong>The</strong>re is nothing on record in the whole of Jewish scriptures that Jesus<br />
came down from the cross alive, that he fulfilled that condition of being their messiah. Jews are still<br />
waiting for the <strong>com</strong>ing of the messiah their prophets predicted.<br />
But Goshalak made a clear <strong>and</strong> emphatic claim to be the real tirthankara in place of Mahavira. <strong>The</strong>re<br />
were many people who accepted Goshalak as the tirthankara, <strong>and</strong> their number was not small, it<br />
was large. And the controversy lasted long, because Jaina tradition believed that the twenty-fourth<br />
tirthankara, who would be the last in a long line of tirthankaras, was <strong>com</strong>ing. So Goshalak staked<br />
his claim <strong>and</strong> a large group of Jainas accepted him as such.<br />
Apart from Goshalak, there were about six contemporaries of Mahavira who were believed by their<br />
followers to be the twenty-fourth tirthankara. <strong>The</strong>y did not openly state their claim as Goshalak did,<br />
but their followers believed they were. Sanjay Vilethiputta <strong>and</strong> Ajit Keshkambal were among a half<br />
dozen people who were believed to be tirthankaras. Even Buddha’s devotees thought that Buddha<br />
was the real tirthankara; they often scoffed at Mahavira.<br />
It is always possible that when a person like <strong>Krishna</strong> is born, or is being awaited according to certain<br />
predictions made in the past, many people will claim that exalted position, there is no difficulty in<br />
it. But time is what finally decides who the rightful claimant is. <strong>The</strong> truth is that when one claims<br />
to be something, it shows clearly that he is not the right person. Only a wrong person claims to be<br />
something that he is not. <strong>Krishna</strong> does not need to claim to be <strong>Krishna</strong>, he IS <strong>Krishna</strong>. <strong>The</strong> very fact<br />
that someone claims to be <strong>Krishna</strong> shows that he is a pretender, that his being is not enough. He<br />
has to claim it to be so.<br />
Mahavira does not claim that he is a tirthankara, he is it. But Goshalak has to lay claim to it, because<br />
he himself is in doubt. In fact, it is our feeling of inferiority that leads us to claim to be this or that. If<br />
someone claims to be a saint it clearly means that he is not a saint; he will be just the contrary to<br />
what he claims.<br />
But it is just natural <strong>and</strong> human that such claims are made.<br />
Question 4<br />
QUESTIONER: WHY DID JESUS CLAIM?<br />
Jesus did not. He did not claim that he was the messiah. <strong>His</strong> claims were quite different. In fact, his<br />
claims don’t <strong>com</strong>e in the form of statements; he claimed through his being. People recognized that<br />
he was the messiah.<br />
As I mentioned earlier, john the Baptist, a rare sage, had declared that the messiah was <strong>com</strong>ing<br />
<strong>and</strong> he was his messenger. He also said that the day the messiah would arrive he, the messenger,<br />
would depart from the world. He lived on the banks of the River Jordan <strong>and</strong> initiated people in the<br />
water of that river. Thous<strong>and</strong>s of people were initiated by him. Jesus too, had his initiation from<br />
John the Baptist. When Jesus was st<strong>and</strong>ing in water up to his neck, John initiated him <strong>and</strong> then<br />
said, ”Now, you should begin your work <strong>and</strong> I go.”<br />
<strong>Krishna</strong>: <strong>The</strong> <strong>Man</strong> <strong>and</strong> <strong>His</strong> <strong>Philosophy</strong> 181 <strong>Osho</strong>