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CHAPTER 9. THE COSMOS IS A DANCE OF OPPOSITES it is an insult to womanhood. Shaw not only turned down a woman’s love, he did it in a very indecent manner. Kubja has waited long for Krishna; she has waited for him for many lives. Krishna cannot say no to her, because no has no place in his life. Even if Kubja asks for love on the physical level, Krishna will not refuse her, because he is not opposed to the body. The body is as muck accepted as anything else; it has its own place in life The body is not everything, but it has its significance; it has its own juices and joys. The body has its own existence. Krishna does not deny it He accepts both body and soul; he embraces both matter and God. He cannot insult womanhood by refusing sex on the physical level; he can go to any length to respect womanhood. He is prepared to fulfill every wish of Kubja’s, and he will not have to persuade himself, strain himself in the matter. He will not have to make any effort to oblige Kubja; he will naturally and happily accept that which is. For us it is difficult to think that Krishna would go in for physical sex; it seems outrageous. It is so because we are divided, we are dualists; we believe that the body and soul are separate, and while the soul is great the body is something lowly. But I don’t view – nor does Krishna – the body and soul, sex and superconsciousness, matter and God as separate entities. They are all one and the same. The body is that part of the soul which is within the grasp of our senses – like our eyes and hands – and the soul is that part of the body which is beyond the grasp of our senses and intellect. The body is the visible soul and the soul is the invisible body. They are united and one; nowhere do they separate from each other or contradict each other. What is sexual joy at the physical level becomes ecstasy at the level of the soul. To Krishna’s mind there is no conflict between sex and ecstasy. The joy of sex is nothing but a faint reflection, a faint trace of ecstasy, and therefore sex can become a door to ecstasy, to samadhi. I cannot say what there is in the mind of Kubja, but I can speak very well for Krishna. I don’t think Kubja has any readiness to use sex as a door to samadhi. That is not even relevant here. What is re levant is that whatever Kubja desires, Krishna is ready to fulfill it. He does not care if her desires are petty; he does not tell her to ask for something great because he has it and he can give it. Kubja approaches him with a request for physical gratification; she does not know what it is to be fulfilled spiritually. And Krishna is not going to turn her down because of it. He meets Kubja on Kubja’s ground, and that is how a physical union between the two could be possible. Question 3 QUESTIONER: IN THE MORNING YOU COMPARED RAMA WITH KRISHNA AND MEERA WITH HANUMANA. IN OUR TRADITION ALL OF THEM – RAMA, KRISHNA, MEERA AND HANUMANA – HAVE EQUAL STATUS; NO ONE IS SUPERIOR OR INFERIOR. PERHAPS EACH ONE OF THEM IS LIVING HIS OWN INDIVIDUAL DESTINY. AND IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOME OF US FIND OURSELVES IN ACCORD WITH RAMA AND HANUMANA. IN THAT CASE WOULD IT NOT BE TRANSGRESSING ONE’S SELF-NATURE OR SWADHARMA IF ONE FOLLOWS KRISHNA AND MEERA BECAUSE THEY ARE SUPERIOR? I did not say that they were either superior or inferior. All I sail was that they were distinctly different from each other. I am not concerned with their status; I am only interested in the distinctive Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy 168 Osho
CHAPTER 9. THE COSMOS IS A DANCE OF OPPOSITES individuality of each one of them. And if someone finds himself in accord with Hanumana, he will not accept Hanunana as inferior because of me. As far as I am concerned Hanumana is not in accord with me. And I am not going to lie about my view of Hanumana because someone else is in accord with him. You put the question to me and I answered it the way I saw it. If I have to choose between them, I will choose Meera and Krishna, and I told you why. But I don’t say that you should choose Krishna in preference to Rama. It is enough that you understand what I say, and then go wherever your individuality takes you. In my view, Rama’s personality is confined, confined to certain norms and ideals, and I think even Rama’s followers will not deny it. In fact, they follow him because he lives within norms; Rama appeals to people who love to live within norms. But I say that to live within the confines of norms is to live a petty life, a limited, inhibited and narrow life. Life is not confined to norms; it goes far beyond norms and rules, ideas and concepts. Truth is unlimited and illimitable. The whole truth cannot be covered by any ideas and ideals, however great they may be. Truth can be at home only with the unlimited, the infinite. You limit it and it ceases to be truth. So truth is at home with Krishna, not with Rama, because Krishna too, like truth, is unlimited, infinite. And it is wrong to say that your tradition does not make a distinction between Rama and Krishna. It does. It does not accept Rama as a complete incarnation of God; Krishna alone is accepted as such. Your tradition is very clear about it. I don’t know if they have a comparative evaluation of Hanumana and Meera – perhaps not – but they have certainly evaluated Rama and Krishna, judging Krishna to be the highest among all the Hindu avataras, all the Hindu incarnations. It is obvious that followers of Rama do not accept Krishna; they don’t even want to hear his name. In the same way devotees of Krishna are allergic to Rama – and it is natural. But I am a follower of no one; I follow neither Rama nor Krishna. I have nothing to do with them; therefore, I can see them exactly as they are, and I will say the truth. To me, it seems that Rama’s life is clear-cut and defined; there is nothing hazy about it. Krishna’s life is not that neat and clear-cut, it cannot be. And that is why it has great depth. Rama has cut out a portion of a vast and wild jungle and turned it into a neat and clean garden by removing unwieldy bushes and shrubs. But this does not mean that the vast jungle has ceased to be; it is there, surrounding the little garden. D.H. Lawrence often said he wanted to see man in his wild form, that modern man had turned into a garden and was diseased. While Rama is a small and enclosed garden, Krishna is the vast jungle itself, wild and rugged and chaotic. It lacks planning and organization, order; it has no roads, no pathways, no sidewalks, not even flowerbeds. It is full of wild animals like lions and tigers; it is infested with all kinds of snakes and reptiles and lizards. At places it is dark and awesome. Even fugitives from the civilized world, like robbers and thieves, take shelter here. It is packed with wilderness, with ruggedness, dangers. Krishna’s life is that gigantic jungle, while Rama’s life is a kitchen garden in the backyard of your house, where everything is in order, where there is nothing to fear. I don’t say to you, ”Don’t have a kitchen garden,” what I say is that a garden is a garden and a jungle is a jungle. When you are bored with your garden you think of the jungle, because it is nature’s own creation; it is not of your making. There is a life, grandeur and beauty in the jungle which no garden can have. Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy 169 Osho
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CHAPTER 9. THE COSMOS IS A DANCE OF OPPOSITES<br />
it is an insult to womanhood. Shaw not only turned down a woman’s love, he did it in a very indecent<br />
manner.<br />
Kubja has waited long for <strong>Krishna</strong>; she has waited for him for many lives. <strong>Krishna</strong> cannot say no to<br />
her, because no has no place in his life. Even if Kubja asks for love on the physical level, <strong>Krishna</strong> will<br />
not refuse her, because he is not opposed to the body. <strong>The</strong> body is as muck accepted as anything<br />
else; it has its own place in life <strong>The</strong> body is not everything, but it has its significance; it has its own<br />
juices <strong>and</strong> joys. <strong>The</strong> body has its own existence.<br />
<strong>Krishna</strong> does not deny it He accepts both body <strong>and</strong> soul; he embraces both matter <strong>and</strong> God. He<br />
cannot insult womanhood by refusing sex on the physical level; he can go to any length to respect<br />
womanhood. He is prepared to fulfill every wish of Kubja’s, <strong>and</strong> he will not have to persuade himself,<br />
strain himself in the matter. He will not have to make any effort to oblige Kubja; he will naturally <strong>and</strong><br />
happily accept that which is.<br />
For us it is difficult to think that <strong>Krishna</strong> would go in for physical sex; it seems outrageous. It is so<br />
because we are divided, we are dualists; we believe that the body <strong>and</strong> soul are separate, <strong>and</strong> while<br />
the soul is great the body is something lowly. But I don’t view – nor does <strong>Krishna</strong> – the body <strong>and</strong><br />
soul, sex <strong>and</strong> superconsciousness, matter <strong>and</strong> God as separate entities. <strong>The</strong>y are all one <strong>and</strong> the<br />
same. <strong>The</strong> body is that part of the soul which is within the grasp of our senses – like our eyes <strong>and</strong><br />
h<strong>and</strong>s – <strong>and</strong> the soul is that part of the body which is beyond the grasp of our senses <strong>and</strong> intellect.<br />
<strong>The</strong> body is the visible soul <strong>and</strong> the soul is the invisible body. <strong>The</strong>y are united <strong>and</strong> one; nowhere<br />
do they separate from each other or contradict each other. What is sexual joy at the physical level<br />
be<strong>com</strong>es ecstasy at the level of the soul. To <strong>Krishna</strong>’s mind there is no conflict between sex <strong>and</strong><br />
ecstasy. <strong>The</strong> joy of sex is nothing but a faint reflection, a faint trace of ecstasy, <strong>and</strong> therefore sex can<br />
be<strong>com</strong>e a door to ecstasy, to samadhi.<br />
I cannot say what there is in the mind of Kubja, but I can speak very well for <strong>Krishna</strong>. I don’t think<br />
Kubja has any readiness to use sex as a door to samadhi. That is not even relevant here. What is<br />
re levant is that whatever Kubja desires, <strong>Krishna</strong> is ready to fulfill it. He does not care if her desires<br />
are petty; he does not tell her to ask for something great because he has it <strong>and</strong> he can give it. Kubja<br />
approaches him with a request for physical gratification; she does not know what it is to be fulfilled<br />
spiritually. And <strong>Krishna</strong> is not going to turn her down because of it. He meets Kubja on Kubja’s<br />
ground, <strong>and</strong> that is how a physical union between the two could be possible.<br />
Question 3<br />
QUESTIONER: IN THE MORNING YOU COMPARED RAMA WITH KRISHNA AND MEERA WITH<br />
HANUMANA. IN OUR TRADITION ALL OF THEM – RAMA, KRISHNA, MEERA AND HANUMANA<br />
– HAVE EQUAL STATUS; NO ONE IS SUPERIOR OR INFERIOR. PERHAPS EACH ONE OF<br />
THEM IS LIVING HIS OWN INDIVIDUAL DESTINY. AND IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOME OF US<br />
FIND OURSELVES IN ACCORD WITH RAMA AND HANUMANA. IN THAT CASE WOULD IT NOT<br />
BE TRANSGRESSING ONE’S SELF-NATURE OR SWADHARMA IF ONE FOLLOWS KRISHNA<br />
AND MEERA BECAUSE THEY ARE SUPERIOR?<br />
I did not say that they were either superior or inferior. All I sail was that they were distinctly<br />
different from each other. I am not concerned with their status; I am only interested in the distinctive<br />
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