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124 Foucault's Writings on <strong>the</strong> Iranian Revolution<br />

All <strong>the</strong> same, <strong>the</strong> Cultural Revolution was certainly presented as a struggle<br />

between certain elements of <strong>the</strong> population <strong>and</strong> certain o<strong>the</strong>rs, certain<br />

elements in <strong>the</strong> party <strong>and</strong> certain o<strong>the</strong>rs, or between <strong>the</strong> population <strong>and</strong> <strong>the</strong><br />

party, etc. Now what struck me in Iran is that <strong>the</strong>re is no struggle between<br />

different elements. What gives it such beauty, <strong>and</strong> at <strong>the</strong> same time such<br />

gravity, is that <strong>the</strong>re is only one confrontation: between <strong>the</strong> entire people <strong>and</strong><br />

<strong>the</strong> state power threatening <strong>the</strong>m with its weapons <strong>and</strong> police. One didn't have<br />

to go to extremes; one found <strong>the</strong>m <strong>the</strong>re at once, on <strong>the</strong> one side, <strong>the</strong> entire<br />

will of <strong>the</strong> people, on <strong>the</strong> o<strong>the</strong>r <strong>the</strong> machine guns. (Ibid., 253-54)<br />

Here, Foucault's denial of any social or political differentiation among <strong>the</strong> Iranian<br />

"people" was absolutely breathtaking. He continued in this vein, again<br />

<strong>and</strong> again parrying Blanchet's urgings that he discuss differences, contradictions,<br />

or dangers within Iran's <strong>revolution</strong>ary process. For example, Foucault<br />

declared that with regard to <strong>the</strong> Iranian Islamists, "religion for <strong>the</strong>m was like<br />

<strong>the</strong> promise <strong>and</strong> guarantee of finding something that would radically change<br />

<strong>the</strong>ir subjectivity" (ibid., 255). Then he suggested that Marx's famous sentence<br />

on religion had been misconstrued: "People always quote Marx <strong>and</strong> <strong>the</strong><br />

opium of <strong>the</strong> people. The sentence that immediately preceded that statement<br />

which is never quoted says that religion is <strong>the</strong> spirit of a world without spirit."<br />

Foucault argued that by 1978, <strong>the</strong> better-known part of Marx's statement had<br />

become inappropriate: "Let us say, <strong>the</strong>refore, that Islam, in <strong>the</strong> year 1978,<br />

was not <strong>the</strong> opium of <strong>the</strong> people precisely because it was <strong>the</strong> spirit of a world<br />

without spirit" (ibid.). Thus, where dogmatic Marxists had quoted only <strong>the</strong><br />

latter part of Marx's statement, "religion is <strong>the</strong> opium of <strong>the</strong> people, " Foucault<br />

now wanted to interpret <strong>the</strong> statement in a different way, emphasizing its first<br />

part, that "religion is <strong>the</strong> spirit of a world without spirit."<br />

Finally, about nine-tenths of <strong>the</strong> way through <strong>the</strong> interview, after more<br />

prodding by both Blanchet <strong>and</strong> Briere, Foucault acknowledged very briefly a<br />

single contradiction within <strong>the</strong> Iranian Revolution, that of xenophobic nationalism<br />

<strong>and</strong> anti-Semitism. We can quote <strong>the</strong>se statements in full, since<br />

<strong>the</strong>y are so brief:<br />

There were demonstrations, verbal at least, of virulent anti-Semitism. There<br />

were demonstrations of xenophobia, <strong>and</strong> not only against <strong>the</strong> Americans, but<br />

also against foreign workers who had come to work in Iran . ...<br />

What has given <strong>the</strong> Iranian movement its intensity has been a double reg­<br />

ister. On <strong>the</strong> one h<strong>and</strong>, a collective will that has been very strongly expressed<br />

politically <strong>and</strong>, on <strong>the</strong> o<strong>the</strong>r h<strong>and</strong>, <strong>the</strong> desire for a radical change in ordinary

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