Trends in Long-Term Care - U.S. Senate Special Committee on Aging

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2954 Dr. BERGMAN. I shall be glad to provide all that on my nursong>inong>g homes. If you tell me ong>inong> others- Congressman Komi. Listen to my question. I would like to know whether your wife, or your sons, or your ong>inong>laws, those ong>inong> direct concentricity of any of these ong>inong>terests, are you ong>inong> accord on that? Dr. BERGMAN. Right. Congressman KocIi. Let me just add this question with respect to that. If you cannot tell us now, are there homes that are not mentioned ong>inong> these lists, ong>inong> which you have such an ong>inong>terest, or homes ong>inong> this list, ong>inong> which you have one of these ong>inong>terests. which you did not describe when you first testified ? Dr. BERGMAN. Congressman, no. Congressman Kocn. If you wvill give us that list, I would appreciate it.* Dr. BERGMAN. I would be glad to. Congressman Koci. NoWv, the second question I have, you have made a statement concernong>inong>g what you thong>inong>k to have been adverse publicity, and what you characterized as unfair, prejudicial attacks upon you ong>inong> advance of this hearong>inong>g by the media, et cetera, and among the allegations that have been made, are that you attempted to obtaong>inong> political ong>inong>fluence with respect to Vour nursong>inong>g homes, ong>inong> terms of preventong>inong>g an examong>inong>ation ong>inong>to the ownership and the conditions. You are aware of that allegation, are you not? Dr. BERGMAN. Of the allegations, ves. CoInressman KOCTI. That is what I am askong>inong>g. You are aware that the alle ations concern you, and the speaker of the assembly Mr. Stanley Steong>inong>gut, and the majority leader, Assemblyman Blumenthal. You are aware of those allegations ? Di. BERGMAN. Right. Congressman Kocir. In fairness to them, and to yourself, would you now tell us what conversations you had with either or both of those gentlemen with respect to your nursong>inong>g homes, and requests on your part for any support by them ong>inong> terms of your nursong>inong>g home operations, and give us the dates, as best you can recall them, and the sum and substance of your conversations. Dr. BERGMAN. Mr. Congressman, Senator, I am really grateful to you for askong>inong>g me this question. Congressman Kocia. I would be grateful for the answer. Dr. BERGMAN. I was very, very disturbed over such allegaitions. and before I give you an answer specifically, I want to tell this committee, Mr. Senator, to show how far-reachong>inong>g my political ong>inong>fluence is or was, is that I have a nursong>inong>g home which was approved. I should say a buildong>inong>g for a nursong>inong>g home, which was approved on April 28, 1966, and with the approval of counsel, I would like to submit this ong>inong> evidence, April 28, 1966. Mr. Congressman, this nursong>inong>g home wvas built, almost 3 years ago, completed, furnished, equipped. approved bv all city councils, approved by the department of hospitals, by the commissioner, built, equipped, decorated, and the doors are still closed. This ong>inong> brief, I want to tell you to the extent, that is the Danube. * 'See appendix 2, iteni 3, p. 2964.

2955 Congressman KOCH. But give us any conversations you had with either of the two gentlemen which bear on your nursong>inong>g homes, as best you can. Dr. BERGMAN. I shall be glad to. In one case, Mr. Blumenthal, the assemblyman of our district, we complaong>inong>ed to him that this bureaucratic system ong>inong> Albany is somehow discrimong>inong>atong>inong>g agaong>inong>st us, that was ong>inong> the case of Park Crescent Nursong>inong>g Home. The ong>inong>spectors did not come down when we asked them to come down, weeks and months, ong>inong> the meantime the expenses are runnong>inong>g, and the place is not open. Congressman KOCH. Will you place this conversation ong>inong> time? Dr. BERGMAN. I am sorry. On dates, this was before its openong>inong>g, 4 or 5 months maybe, to the best of my recollection. Don't keep me to the date. So we made a complaong>inong>t to him, and he did arrange a conference with the department of one of the agencies. I forget what date it was held, we met with him, we asked them what the problems are, they told us what they were, we tried to correct them, we tried to reach agreement with them. This is the extent of it. Congressman KOCH. That is the only conversation that you had with Assemblyman Blumenthal, the one you just described? Dr. BERGMAN. That is correct. Excuse me. There might have been one or two conversations, but it was only ong>inong> relation to that problem that we had. That is as far as Mr. Blumenthal is concerned, and then we had a few other problems, some of the neighbors complaong>inong>ed about the nursong>inong>g home, you know, residents and so forth. Congressman KOCH. Now, I take us to any conversations you had with then Assemblyman Steong>inong>gut, the speaker of the assembly, or anyone on his staff, one of the names they mentioned ong>inong> the press, Mr. Chill. Are you familiar with Mr. Chill? Dr. BERGMAN. Yes. Congressman KOCH. Will you tell us what conversations you had with respect to Mr. Steong>inong>gut or anyone on his staff ? Dr. BERGMAN. Yes. Congressman KOCH. Concernong>inong>g your nursong>inong>g home operations. Dr. BERGMAN. With Mr. Steong>inong>gut, similarly, when the facility was almost fong>inong>ished, and we did not get the cooperation of the department, I made the same complaong>inong>t to him, and what I got from him was, "Well, we will ong>inong>quire about it, and fong>inong>d out what is holdong>inong>g it back." Very frankly, I don't remember whether he came back to me or not. but this was to the extent that I asked Mr. Steong>inong>gut, the same thong>inong>g I asked Mr. Blumenthal. Congressman KOCH. How about Mr. Chill, and do you know Mr. Chill's relationship to Mr. Steong>inong>gut? Dr. BERGMAN. Yes; he is an assistant. Congressman KOCH. He is on the staff ? Dr. BERGMAN. He is on the staff. Congressman Kooni. What was the conversation? Dr. BERGMAN. As far as Mr. Chill was concerned, I recall correctly, that at one time some of our lessees engaged his firm to put a transfer of a license, that is his firm, and, of course, we are ong>inong>terested as well that the place is licensed, and we had a realty ong>inong>terest ong>inong> there.

2954<br />

Dr. BERGMAN. I shall be glad to provide all that <strong>on</strong> my nurs<str<strong>on</strong>g>in</str<strong>on</strong>g>g<br />

homes. If you tell me <str<strong>on</strong>g>in</str<strong>on</strong>g> others-<br />

C<strong>on</strong>gressman Komi. Listen to my questi<strong>on</strong>.<br />

I would like to know whether your wife, or your s<strong>on</strong>s, or your <str<strong>on</strong>g>in</str<strong>on</strong>g>laws,<br />

those <str<strong>on</strong>g>in</str<strong>on</strong>g> direct c<strong>on</strong>centricity of any of these <str<strong>on</strong>g>in</str<strong>on</strong>g>terests, are you <str<strong>on</strong>g>in</str<strong>on</strong>g><br />

accord <strong>on</strong> that?<br />

Dr. BERGMAN. Right.<br />

C<strong>on</strong>gressman KocIi. Let me just add this questi<strong>on</strong> with respect to<br />

that.<br />

If you cannot tell us now, are there homes that are not menti<strong>on</strong>ed <str<strong>on</strong>g>in</str<strong>on</strong>g><br />

these lists, <str<strong>on</strong>g>in</str<strong>on</strong>g> which you have such an <str<strong>on</strong>g>in</str<strong>on</strong>g>terest, or homes <str<strong>on</strong>g>in</str<strong>on</strong>g> this list,<br />

<str<strong>on</strong>g>in</str<strong>on</strong>g> which you have <strong>on</strong>e of these <str<strong>on</strong>g>in</str<strong>on</strong>g>terests. which you did not describe<br />

when you first testified ?<br />

Dr. BERGMAN. C<strong>on</strong>gressman, no.<br />

C<strong>on</strong>gressman Kocn. If you wvill give us that list, I would<br />

appreciate it.*<br />

Dr. BERGMAN. I would be glad to.<br />

C<strong>on</strong>gressman Koci. NoWv, the sec<strong>on</strong>d questi<strong>on</strong> I have, you have<br />

made a statement c<strong>on</strong>cern<str<strong>on</strong>g>in</str<strong>on</strong>g>g what you th<str<strong>on</strong>g>in</str<strong>on</strong>g>k to have been adverse<br />

publicity, and what you characterized as unfair, prejudicial attacks<br />

up<strong>on</strong> you <str<strong>on</strong>g>in</str<strong>on</strong>g> advance of this hear<str<strong>on</strong>g>in</str<strong>on</strong>g>g by the media, et cetera, and am<strong>on</strong>g<br />

the allegati<strong>on</strong>s that have been made, are that you attempted to obta<str<strong>on</strong>g>in</str<strong>on</strong>g><br />

political <str<strong>on</strong>g>in</str<strong>on</strong>g>fluence with respect to Vour nurs<str<strong>on</strong>g>in</str<strong>on</strong>g>g homes, <str<strong>on</strong>g>in</str<strong>on</strong>g> terms of<br />

prevent<str<strong>on</strong>g>in</str<strong>on</strong>g>g an exam<str<strong>on</strong>g>in</str<strong>on</strong>g>ati<strong>on</strong> <str<strong>on</strong>g>in</str<strong>on</strong>g>to the ownership and the c<strong>on</strong>diti<strong>on</strong>s.<br />

You are aware of that allegati<strong>on</strong>, are you not?<br />

Dr. BERGMAN. Of the allegati<strong>on</strong>s, ves.<br />

CoInressman KOCTI. That is what I am ask<str<strong>on</strong>g>in</str<strong>on</strong>g>g. You are aware that<br />

the alle ati<strong>on</strong>s c<strong>on</strong>cern you, and the speaker of the assembly Mr.<br />

Stanley Ste<str<strong>on</strong>g>in</str<strong>on</strong>g>gut, and the majority leader, Assemblyman Blumenthal.<br />

You are aware of those allegati<strong>on</strong>s ?<br />

Di. BERGMAN. Right.<br />

C<strong>on</strong>gressman Kocir. In fairness to them, and to yourself, would you<br />

now tell us what c<strong>on</strong>versati<strong>on</strong>s you had with either or both of those<br />

gentlemen with respect to your nurs<str<strong>on</strong>g>in</str<strong>on</strong>g>g homes, and requests <strong>on</strong> your<br />

part for any support by them <str<strong>on</strong>g>in</str<strong>on</strong>g> terms of your nurs<str<strong>on</strong>g>in</str<strong>on</strong>g>g home operati<strong>on</strong>s,<br />

and give us the dates, as best you can recall them, and the sum<br />

and substance of your c<strong>on</strong>versati<strong>on</strong>s.<br />

Dr. BERGMAN. Mr. C<strong>on</strong>gressman, Senator, I am really grateful to<br />

you for ask<str<strong>on</strong>g>in</str<strong>on</strong>g>g me this questi<strong>on</strong>.<br />

C<strong>on</strong>gressman Kocia. I would be grateful for the answer.<br />

Dr. BERGMAN. I was very, very disturbed over such allegaiti<strong>on</strong>s. and<br />

before I give you an answer specifically, I want to tell this committee,<br />

Mr. Senator, to show how far-reach<str<strong>on</strong>g>in</str<strong>on</strong>g>g my political <str<strong>on</strong>g>in</str<strong>on</strong>g>fluence is or<br />

was, is that I have a nurs<str<strong>on</strong>g>in</str<strong>on</strong>g>g home which was approved. I should say<br />

a build<str<strong>on</strong>g>in</str<strong>on</strong>g>g for a nurs<str<strong>on</strong>g>in</str<strong>on</strong>g>g home, which was approved <strong>on</strong> April 28, 1966,<br />

and with the approval of counsel, I would like to submit this <str<strong>on</strong>g>in</str<strong>on</strong>g> evidence,<br />

April 28, 1966. Mr. C<strong>on</strong>gressman, this nurs<str<strong>on</strong>g>in</str<strong>on</strong>g>g home wvas built,<br />

almost 3 years ago, completed, furnished, equipped. approved bv all<br />

city councils, approved by the department of hospitals, by the commissi<strong>on</strong>er,<br />

built, equipped, decorated, and the doors are still closed.<br />

This <str<strong>on</strong>g>in</str<strong>on</strong>g> brief, I want to tell you to the extent, that is the Danube.<br />

* 'See appendix 2, iteni 3, p. 2964.

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