Trends in Long-Term Care - U.S. Senate Special Committee on Aging

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th<strong>in</strong>gs are false, as you <strong>in</strong>quire <strong>in</strong>to those, and you and the public will
know that they are false.
There is no opportunity for that happen<strong>in</strong>g with that gentleman sitt<strong>in</strong>g
next to you on the right.
There is just no opportunity for that happen<strong>in</strong>g, and it is for that
reason that I have to ask, Mr. Chairman, that Mr. Ste<strong>in</strong> be excused,
and he only come down here as a witness, if he is go<strong>in</strong>g to be the next
witness, and we will supply the records to the committee on the assurance
that they are only for the committee, and that none of them will
be disclosed to Mr. Ste<strong>in</strong> or his commission, nor for that matter, to
other defendants <strong>in</strong> the lawsuit, and we are giv<strong>in</strong>g them to the committee,
and to the General Account<strong>in</strong>g Office, because we want a
thorough account<strong>in</strong>g to be made of those records.
We want the lie to be put once and for all to the claim that Mr. Ste<strong>in</strong>
has made about fraud. We th<strong>in</strong>k you can do it.
You are the judge, Mr. Chairman. You are the judge. We th<strong>in</strong>k you
are the judge, Mr. Chairman.
Senator Moss. I have assured you that Mr. Ste<strong>in</strong> is not sitt<strong>in</strong>g as a
member of the committee, will not be given access to the records that
are subpenaed, and other than that, I do not th<strong>in</strong>k you ought to tell
me how to run my hear<strong>in</strong>g.
So you have that assurance.
[Applause.]
Now, if you have any objections, you will have to enter it <strong>in</strong> the
record.
Mr. LEWIN. Let me just make one other po<strong>in</strong>t with regard to these
records.
As I said, they are operat<strong>in</strong>g records. I would just like to make it
clear that we will be hav<strong>in</strong>g, I th<strong>in</strong>k it is an understand<strong>in</strong>g that my
office has with Mr. Halamandaris, that we would have access to the
records for operat<strong>in</strong>g purposes.
They <strong>in</strong>clude 1974 records, that we will aways have access to them,
that we can copy them, that we can read them, that we can use them <strong>in</strong>
terms of our civil litigation aga<strong>in</strong>st Mr. Ste<strong>in</strong>, that they will be available
to us, but other than that, they are be<strong>in</strong>g provided only to the
committee, and only to the committee staff.
Senator Moss. You will get their full security here <strong>in</strong> the city of
New York, and you will have access to them when you need them.
Mr. HALAMANDARIS. Correct.
Mr. LEWIN. And with the chairman's clarification <strong>in</strong> that regard,
that Mr. Ste<strong>in</strong> is not to have access to them, there will be compliance to
those subpenas.
Senator Moss. Thank you. I th<strong>in</strong>k there is one more subpena.
Mr. HALAMANDARIs. Right. There is one more subpena.
Senator Moss. Rocco Scarfone of Hallandale, Fla., who was served
with the subpena.*
I have here now a letter addressed to me from Mrs. Scarfone, <strong>in</strong>
which she says: "My husband, Rocco Scarfone, has been admitted to
the Miami International Hospital <strong>in</strong> north Miami, Fla."; and I will
have this made a part of the record.
*See "<strong>Trends</strong> In <strong>Long</strong>-<strong>Term</strong> <strong>Care</strong>," part 24, Feb. 4, 1975, for appearance by Mr. Scarfone.