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Do you remember the names of your colleagues who helped you write and deliver the leaflets and were thus consequently sentenced as well? Naturally, those were guys who were attending the grammar school or college in Chrudim or they had recently graduated. There wasn’t a big age difference between us. There were also other people sentenced with us who were older. The main group from Heřmanův Městec was plus or minus two years apart in age. There were Mirek Kabeláč, Milan Netušil, Josef Řehák, and Vláďa Doležal,… As time went by, we didn’t only edit the leaflets, but we also got in touch with two agents – Eliáš and Marcal and we were delivering some spy information too, mainly about the airport in Pardubice. That was always an army airport so there was always a big interest in it. They had their own operator and a radio transmitter, but they wanted to have a plan to fall back on. The second reason was that the radio didn’t work sometimes. They had troubles with that. Where did you get the contacts for the two agents? It was through a schoolmate (B. Capoušek) also a guy through our group who contacted me together with my mom’s patient. Together we talked about radios. Fortunately, there was no one else who knew about it. The secret police had me on a list because I had officially kept a radio as an amateur operator until 1949. Then they took my license away. I had some receivers left, but I had to put away all the transmitters, I didn’t want to risk it. The one I used for this purpose then was bricked in a chimney of our house because I was sending out messages, just in case of emergency. The agents had their own operator, but sometimes they needed to check and sometimes they had problems with their own one. When that didn’t work I had to substitute. We were all nineteen or twenty years old. I was locked up a week after my twenty-first birthday. How did it happen? I was traveling from Hradec Králové, where I was studying medicine for the first year, to Heřmanův Městec, almost every single weekend. Later when I was in Prague, nothing was very easy. I was meeting my schoolmates and other people from the group who studied in Prague. We weren’t meeting periodically, more by chance when we needed something, then we just arranged it and went somewhere. Coincidentally and I was really lucky at this time, I met my friend at a tram stop at Wenceslas Square. It was before Christmas and I was going to go back home that evening. This boy told me that my schoolmates from the group were locked up two or three days previously. So I went home and when the secret police came for me in the evening I was lucky in that I was ready for it. I had the chance to destroy a lot of things before they came. I did this from the spring of 1949 to midway through 1951, before I came to Prague. So it lasted for about two years, maybe a little more. Were you aware of any monitoring? Did you have a feeling that they put someone on you? I was riding motorcycles professionally. In 1950 I was nominated to go on a six-day race, which was taking place in England, but the invitation was rescinded. In 1951 the invitation came again, but all of a sudden I was told that I wouldn’t go anywhere. This six-day race is always taking place in September or October. In late August the two agents we were cooperating with were locked up. I assumed that I had to be a suspect as well. That was a sign for you then? Yeah, but I unfortunately didn’t take it really serious. If I had taken it seriously, it would have been possible to get over the border and I wouldn’t have stayed here. I wouldn´t have any other option then to run away. It would have been the only possible option for me. Czechoslovak Political Prisoners 155

When were you locked up and what was the process like? On January 4, 1952. Before Christmas they were interrogating me all night in Bartolomějská Street 4 . In the morning they released me and I didn’t wait for anything. I hopped on my motorbike and went straight to Heřmanův Městec to destroy the radio. If that didn’t go well then there would be a bad ending for the whole family because it was in the family’s house. So I destroyed it successfully and on January 4 I was definitively locked up. It happened in the evening on Charles Square when I was coming home from school. They took me back to Bartolomějská. They left me there for four days. I was in such a state that it would be hardly possible to transport me somewhere. Then they took me to Pardubice. The whole group was investigated in Pardubice in the state police department. In Bartolomějská I had a hearing and of course I denied almost everything. I only admitted that I knew the people from the group and they offered me cooperation. That was unacceptable for me, but I made an agreement with them that I would think about it. During the second interrogation there was nothing to think about and I had to say it and sign a piece of paper with a statement that I was not going to cooperate with the state police. This way, things started moving in a certain direction. At first they were trying to convince me to work for them because they needed some people, especially people who knew foreign languages. At that time I was already able to speak English and German very well. So for this reason I was a really attractive person for them. Yet, we didn’t make any agreements (laughs) and then a big storm started (fight) and of course I answered on the first punch. I knew Jujitsu and I was even boxing for a while, but that didn’t help in the end. At first it was three on one and I don’t even know how many of them got together on me there after that. They really finished me in a bad way, it cost me three teeth and one ear. Today I hardly hear out of my left ear. Where in Bartolemějská was this happening? In some police room and I don’t know where because they were always blindfolding me. When you don’t know the building it’s hard to get any chance of orientation. We went up the steps, down the steps, and then they turned me around three times, and took me somewhere again. What sense did this have, I don’t know? Maybe they were trying to depress me. They could have had my trial anywhere, it wouldn’t have mattered. I knew I was there and that they were interrogating me, but why were they making such theatrics, I don’t know. Because this wasn’t clear to me, it didn’t depress me at all. Did someone give you first aid? No, no one through the whole investigation process gave me first aid. I don’t think they even had a doctor there. Were you alone in Bartolomějská or were you with someone? For the first two days I was alone and before they took me to Pardubice they took me to an escort room where there were three or four of us. I hardly saw the people because they threw me into the room in the evening and took me out in the morning. I don’t remember anything. How did that beating affect you? How did you explain it to yourself? One had some information about the methods of investigation that the SS had. We knew that and these methods would not be better or worse. I personally wasn’t really surprised about all of it. 4 Bartolomějská – a prison in Prague. 156

Do you remember the names of your colleagues who helped you write and deliver the leaflets<br />

and were thus consequently sentenced as well?<br />

Naturally, those were guys who were attending the grammar school or college in Chrudim or<br />

they had recently graduated. There wasn’t a big age difference between us. There were also<br />

other people sentenced with us who were older. The main group from Heřmanův Městec was<br />

plus or minus two years apart in age. There were Mirek Kabeláč, Milan Netušil, Josef Řehák,<br />

and Vláďa Doležal,… As time went by, we didn’t only edit the leaflets, but we also got in touch<br />

with two agents – Eliáš and Marcal and we were delivering some spy information too, mainly<br />

about the airport in Pardubice. That was always an army airport so there was always a big<br />

interest in it. They had their own operator and a radio transmitter, but they wanted to have<br />

a plan to fall back on. The second reason was that the radio didn’t work sometimes. They had<br />

troubles with that.<br />

Where did you get the contacts for the two agents?<br />

It was through a schoolmate (B. Capoušek) also a guy through our group who contacted me<br />

together with my mom’s patient. Together we talked about radios. Fortunately, there was no<br />

one else who knew about it. The secret police had me on a list because I had officially kept a radio<br />

as an amateur operator until 1949. Then they took my license away. I had some receivers left,<br />

but I had to put away all the transmitters, I didn’t want to risk it. The one I used for this purpose<br />

then was bricked in a chimney of our house because I was sending out messages, just in case of<br />

emergency. The agents had their own operator, but sometimes they needed to check and sometimes<br />

they had problems with their own one. When that didn’t work I had to substitute. We<br />

were all nineteen or twenty years old. I was locked up a week after my twenty-first birthday.<br />

How did it happen?<br />

I was traveling from Hradec Králové, where I was studying medicine for the first year, to<br />

Heřmanův Městec, almost every single weekend. Later when I was in Prague, nothing was very<br />

easy. I was meeting my schoolmates and other people from the group who studied in Prague.<br />

We weren’t meeting periodically, more by chance when we needed something, then we just<br />

arranged it and went somewhere. Coincidentally and I was really lucky at this time, I met my<br />

friend at a tram stop at Wenceslas Square. It was before Christmas and I was going to go back<br />

home that evening. This boy told me that my schoolmates from the group were locked up<br />

two or three days previously. So I went home and when the secret police came for me in the<br />

evening I was lucky in that I was ready for it. I had the chance to destroy a lot of things before<br />

they came. I did this from the spring of 1949 to midway through 1951, before I came to Prague.<br />

So it lasted for about two years, maybe a little more.<br />

Were you aware of any monitoring? Did you have a feeling that they put someone on you?<br />

I was riding motorcycles professionally. In 1950 I was nominated to go on a six-day race,<br />

which was taking place in England, but the invitation was rescinded. In 1951 the invitation<br />

came again, but all of a sudden I was told that I wouldn’t go anywhere. This six-day race is<br />

always taking place in September or October. In late August the two agents we were cooperating<br />

with were locked up. I assumed that I had to be a suspect as well.<br />

That was a sign for you then?<br />

Yeah, but I unfortunately didn’t take it really serious. If I had taken it seriously, it would have<br />

been possible to get over the border and I wouldn’t have stayed here. I wouldn´t have any<br />

other option then to run away. It would have been the only possible option for me.<br />

<strong>Czechoslovak</strong> <strong>Political</strong> <strong>Prisoners</strong> 155

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