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abroad to buy carpets. He was getting rides from Mr. Honc who had a freight company. Mr.<br />

Losenický escaped on time before Christmas before 1948 around Vimperk. Honc was locked up<br />

because his own son reported him. I was locked up much earlier. The escape itself was talked<br />

over in 1954 although I was locked up January 12, 1949. Honc was locked up in 1954. I was sentenced<br />

on February 20, 1950 and in 1954 I was taken from my job site in Jáchymov and taken to<br />

another round of trials, in a different prison. I even helped to build this since I was in a group<br />

that worked on this.<br />

Did you lead people across the borders regularly?<br />

When I was without employment I was doing this from time to time and I helped a couple of<br />

people. I was interested in the areas especially around Vimperk and Karlovy Vary.<br />

Why did you choose these two places?<br />

I chose Vimperk because I knew Šumava and Karlovy Vary because I had a connection there<br />

through (XXX) 3 , but I will not be speaking about these things because I know Drtina made<br />

a big mistake when he spoke about the way he got out of the Protectorate because the only<br />

possible way of escape was closed. I will not be running away, but I could close some else’s way<br />

if I talked about it now.<br />

I understand.<br />

At Vimperk it was good, there was a good organization of things, but then the trap closed<br />

sometime around May 1949. I found out that probably the guy named Honc, who helped us<br />

at Karlovy Vary was cooperating with the secret police, but he didn’t speak about everything,<br />

about all the cases. I helped Doctor Rohlíček, the ex-secretary to the Minister and I was getting<br />

ready to organize another escape across the borders for Mrs. Zemínová 4 and Mrs. Klemerová,<br />

but that didn’t happen because I was locked up. Before that I was trying to have some kind<br />

of employment, so I pretended to be employed by a builder named Jiříkovský in Prague. Unfortunately,<br />

this guy was locked up based on the testimony provided by agent Anderle and<br />

then because Jiříkovský provided testimony, I was locked up. Finally, Jiříkovský wasn’t standing<br />

against me at the court because he died in prison, but I got twenty years.<br />

What happened after you were arrested?<br />

When they locked me up the head of the State secret police 5 Jindřich Veselý 6 was interested<br />

in my case. They didn’t do the hearing with me in Prague, but they took me to Olomouc. I had<br />

a lot of friends in Prague and they were worried about that. So then I was interrogated in Olomouc<br />

where Jindřich Veselý and another famous secret police person, Kamil Pixa 7 was there.<br />

There they roughed me up. I will tell you that was something. I was in the cellar of a police<br />

department from where Pixa dragged me out of the room, took me upstairs to the first floor,<br />

blinded me, and took me out on the scaffolding around the building because they were re-<br />

3 The narrator chose on purpose to keep the name anonymous.<br />

4 Františka Zemínová (1882–1962) was a Czech politician, a long-time member of the National Socialist Party and one of<br />

the victims of the fabricated process along with Milada Horáková. She was sentenced for 20 years in prison.<br />

5 State secret police known under the abbreviation StB, was a political police force in <strong>Czechoslovak</strong>ia during the communist<br />

era.<br />

6 Jindřich Veselý (1906–1964), from 1933 he worked as the central secretary of the Czech Communist party, from 1939 to<br />

1945 he was in a concentration camp in Buchenwald. From October 1945 he was a member of the Inspectorate of national<br />

secret security police, From 1948–1950 he was a main commander of State secret police. March 5th, 1950 he tried to commit<br />

suicide for the first time. After he was recalled from the director of Institution of socialist history on March 19th (20th)<br />

1964 his second attempt was successful and he died.<br />

7 Kamil Pixa was one of the founders of the communist State secret police, in 1951 he became a representative of the 1st<br />

sector of The Head Goverment of State police.<br />

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