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If we looked at your story with the eyes of your wife, how did she struggle during this separation? You were a father of a family correct? I think that our wives, parents, and families were psychologically affected much more because those of us in the prison were together. We all had similar attitudes. We were all of the same blood group, we say, but those who stayed at home had it hard. People were turning their back on them, being malicious, and doing bad things on purpose. For example, they would come up to my wife at midnight with dogs, wake her up, made a mess in the whole apartment, tell her that I escaped, and they also told her that if I showed up she would have to report it or she would go to prison and that our kid would be sent away to foster homes. Then in two weeks they would tell her they caught me! They told the same stuff to my mom and in two weeks they told her again that I was shot and wounded while trying to escape. At that moment my mom had just gotten a permit for a visit so she would come and coincidentally I would really be wounded a little bit. Some stones fell on me and it tore my eyebrow. I was a little pale and my mom said, “Boy, why are you doing this? Don’t you know you have a family?” I didn’t know what she was talking about. “Well, they will kill you.” Then the guard jumped up and I replied, “Kill me?” Mom asked me where was I shot and I tore apart my shirt asking, “Where was I shot?” The guard ended the visit telling us we can only talk about family matters. I told him it was a family matter if they tell my mom her son is shot, wounded, and constantly tries to escape! So they were chasing them as much as they could. They were pushing the women to divorce. They were switching her from one job to another, telling her if she divorces then she will get another job. During the time you were in prison you were working on small gifts that you sent to your wife is that right? I sent those not only to my wife, but we made those for all our friends. You know we did that because we wanted to give something to our visitors. If you had a contact through a civilian worker there you could also send some things. For example, at Christmas time we were making little cards, little figures, crosses, and such little gifts. What was your return to civilian life like? One felt really insecure. It took a long time before we felt civilized again. I did a good thing because I took a month off. I was supposed to report myself to the labor office, but I went to Slovakia. I told myself I haven’t had a vacation for eight years so why couldn’t I have a rest? I let the doctors check me up properly and they sent me back. They told me to get back into shape or it would be bad for me. Why were they telling you this? Well, because of the radioactivity. I had about 14,000 white blood cells. Míla Adámek, who was a doctor prisoner who was studying the results of radioactivity on people’s health was the biggest icon in this medical field. He was giving me 2-3 years to live if I leave the mines. Then we met in 1989 and I told him, “Miloš, hey you don’t know how to count. He said, what do you mean? And I said that you gave me 2-3 years to live. He just replied, ”Be happy that I can not count well…” Where did you go when you came back from prison? What kind of job were you searching for? I could go to the work in the quarry because in Levice there was an old quarry and there was a factory called Onyx. There they were making various things out of it: paper weights, tables, various chess figurines, and other things made from stone. They wanted me to be a teacher Czechoslovak Political Prisoners 137

at a trade school to teacher penmanship. Doctor’s recommended that I get back to the radioactivity for a while and slowly work my way out of it so I listened to them. They didn’t let me go down into the shafts anymore because I was seriously ill, but I was bravely going down until May. What do you think about Charter 77, dissidents, and the year 1989 15 ? Well my opinion is that they didn’t really want Communism to disappear. They wanted Communists to meet the promises they made in Helsinki. Why didn’t they make dissidents out of us? Why did they execute and make criminals out of us. They executed 240 people, they beat to death many of them, many of them died in mines, many on the borders, no one knows exactly today. There are many people who are reported missing, but somewhere there bones lie, and these people were dissidents. To Rovnost (Equality) they once brought Goldstücker 16 , Hromádka and Láďa – the guy who was a member of the Central Committee. Goldstücker was punched at Rovnost camp really hard and they beat him like a horse. Do you know why? Because he was giving a statement in the UN that we don’t have barbed wires here. How do you as a political prisoner look at modern history? What would be the easiest way to give this to the young generation and inform them? Tell them the truth. It’s necessary to speak about things. Freedom doesn’t mean I can do everything I want. Freedom means responsibility so the things wouldn’t fall apart. It means toleration. I think this, I don’t care who is communist today, that is his own business as long as you don’t do any harm to others. Or if someone believes and has faith it’s his own business or he can be in a political party that he likes. I imagine that in this government we have the positions for the reason so no harm is done to the nation. The opposition and coalition must agree on things that would benefit the whole country. When the Germans were able to de-Nazify their offices why weren’t we able to do it here? What comes to mind when I say Jáchymov? Jáchymov. One would rather forget about bad things. Or you do not forget about it, but you stop thinking about it. It is like if someone does something bad to you, you forgive, but you do not forget. That’s it, to Jáchymov, I think. When you say Jáchymov the labor camps don’t come into my head. When people speak about them, I can think about everything, but now like this they don’t come into my head. After you were released did you ever meet any of your guards, court prosecutors, or someone who influenced your life’s destiny for such a while? Yes, I met them. For example I applied for rehabilitation in 1969. The lady prosecutor took it and said, “Well yeah, that’s clear.” She gave me my charge asking me whether I read it and I said I didn’t. So she asked why did you sign it? I just said I had to. If I wouldn’t it would have been bad for me. So everything looked all right. At the time I got the invitation to one of the last court hearings. I went to Plzeň, to the regional court and there was sitting the same judge 15 The phenomenons of modern Czechoslovakian history that are directly connected with the fall of the Communist regime in November 1989. 16 Eduard Goldstücker (1913–2000) was a Slovakian Germanophile and interpreter. After the German occupation in 1939 he had to emigrate from the country because his origins were Jewish. He worked for the Czechoslovak government in exile in London. In 1948 he was a Czechoslovakian ambassador to Israel, but in 1953 he fell victim to the political purge and he was in prison for three and half years. In 1955 he was rehabilitated and started his career as a teacher at Charles University in Prague. He studied and translated German-Jewish authors of the 20th century. In 1960´s he became a member of the National Assembly. In 1968 he sharply criticized the invasion of the Soviet army and had to emigrate. He left to the U.K. where he taught German literature. In 1990 he returned to his native country. 138

at a trade school to teacher penmanship. Doctor’s recommended that I get back to the radioactivity<br />

for a while and slowly work my way out of it so I listened to them. They didn’t let me<br />

go down into the shafts anymore because I was seriously ill, but I was bravely going down<br />

until May.<br />

What do you think about Charter 77, dissidents, and the year 1989 15 ?<br />

Well my opinion is that they didn’t really want Communism to disappear. They wanted Communists<br />

to meet the promises they made in Helsinki. Why didn’t they make dissidents out of<br />

us? Why did they execute and make criminals out of us. They executed 240 people, they beat to<br />

death many of them, many of them died in mines, many on the borders, no one knows exactly<br />

today. There are many people who are reported missing, but somewhere there bones lie, and<br />

these people were dissidents. To Rovnost (Equality) they once brought Goldstücker 16 , Hromádka<br />

and Láďa – the guy who was a member of the Central Committee. Goldstücker was punched<br />

at Rovnost camp really hard and they beat him like a horse. Do you know why? Because he was<br />

giving a statement in the UN that we don’t have barbed wires here.<br />

How do you as a political prisoner look at modern history? What would be the easiest way<br />

to give this to the young generation and inform them?<br />

Tell them the truth. It’s necessary to speak about things. Freedom doesn’t mean I can do everything<br />

I want. Freedom means responsibility so the things wouldn’t fall apart. It means toleration.<br />

I think this, I don’t care who is communist today, that is his own business as long as you<br />

don’t do any harm to others. Or if someone believes and has faith it’s his own business or he<br />

can be in a political party that he likes. I imagine that in this government we have the positions<br />

for the reason so no harm is done to the nation. The opposition and coalition must agree on<br />

things that would benefit the whole country. When the Germans were able to de-Nazify their<br />

offices why weren’t we able to do it here?<br />

What comes to mind when I say Jáchymov?<br />

Jáchymov. One would rather forget about bad things. Or you do not forget about it, but you<br />

stop thinking about it. It is like if someone does something bad to you, you forgive, but you<br />

do not forget. That’s it, to Jáchymov, I think. When you say Jáchymov the labor camps don’t<br />

come into my head. When people speak about them, I can think about everything, but now<br />

like this they don’t come into my head.<br />

After you were released did you ever meet any of your guards, court prosecutors, or someone<br />

who influenced your life’s destiny for such a while?<br />

Yes, I met them. For example I applied for rehabilitation in 1969. The lady prosecutor took<br />

it and said, “Well yeah, that’s clear.” She gave me my charge asking me whether I read it and<br />

I said I didn’t. So she asked why did you sign it? I just said I had to. If I wouldn’t it would have<br />

been bad for me. So everything looked all right. At the time I got the invitation to one of the<br />

last court hearings. I went to Plzeň, to the regional court and there was sitting the same judge<br />

15 The phenomenons of modern <strong>Czechoslovak</strong>ian history that are directly connected with the fall of the Communist regime<br />

in November 1989.<br />

16 Eduard Goldstücker (1913–2000) was a Slovakian Germanophile and interpreter. After the German occupation in 1939<br />

he had to emigrate from the country because his origins were Jewish. He worked for the <strong>Czechoslovak</strong> government in<br />

exile in London. In 1948 he was a <strong>Czechoslovak</strong>ian ambassador to Israel, but in 1953 he fell victim to the political purge<br />

and he was in prison for three and half years. In 1955 he was rehabilitated and started his career as a teacher at Charles<br />

University in Prague. He studied and translated German-Jewish authors of the 20th century. In 1960´s he became a member<br />

of the National Assembly. In 1968 he sharply criticized the invasion of the Soviet army and had to emigrate. He left to<br />

the U.K. where he taught German literature. In 1990 he returned to his native country.<br />

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