April 2011 - Centre for Civil Society - University of KwaZulu-Natal
April 2011 - Centre for Civil Society - University of KwaZulu-Natal
April 2011 - Centre for Civil Society - University of KwaZulu-Natal
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around, <strong>for</strong>ms <strong>of</strong> resistance are developing at both local and national<br />
levels. Civic awareness has increased over the last few years and people no<br />
longer will allow themselves to be played <strong>for</strong> suckers. They no longer want<br />
solutions imposed on them that worsen the problems they are facing. In<br />
Senegal today and every day spontaneous demonstrations are taking place<br />
throughout the country against decisions taken by government<br />
representatives in Dakar or at the local level, decisions by a government<br />
that cannot handle the situation because <strong>of</strong> budgetary restrictions on<br />
education, health, drainage or public lighting. For example, power cuts<br />
take place every day in every part <strong>of</strong> Senegal. I left home in the dark<br />
because the government is incapable <strong>of</strong> meeting the demand <strong>for</strong><br />
electricity; public services are declining in the hospitals; there are<br />
recurring strikes in the education system because the government has not<br />
been able to meet the teachers’ demands <strong>for</strong> better working or<br />
environmental conditions. This is the context in which the World Social<br />
Forum took place. We think that this is an appropriate time <strong>for</strong> sharpening<br />
the resistance against these disastrous policies imposed on us by the IMF<br />
(International Monetary Fund) and the World Bank – and also to increase<br />
pressure on the government that is acting as their accomplices instead <strong>of</strong><br />
meeting its responsibilities.<br />
There<strong>for</strong>e, we hope that the <strong>for</strong>um will provide an occasion <strong>for</strong> increasing<br />
the awareness <strong>of</strong> our citizens and strengthening the convergence between<br />
the social movements and the political parties, as we do have progressive<br />
political parties that are struggling <strong>for</strong> different policies and putting<br />
<strong>for</strong>ward alternative solutions. This will be a good opportunity <strong>for</strong> seeing to<br />
what extent the convergence between the political parties and the social<br />
movement could ensure the trans<strong>for</strong>mation <strong>for</strong> which we are hoping.<br />
ROSA MOUSSAUOI AND CHANTAL DELMAS: You spoke <strong>of</strong> this resistance to<br />
budgetary austerity but also <strong>of</strong> resistance to imperialism. What does<br />
‘resistance to imperialism’ mean in a country like Senegal 50 years after<br />
independence?<br />
DEMBA MOUSSA DEMBELE: So far the discourse <strong>of</strong> Western countries on<br />
Africa has been an arrogant, condescending and sermonising one. Take, <strong>for</strong><br />
example, the organisation <strong>of</strong> elections. The Western countries set the<br />
criteria; they send their observers to say ‘We can certify that all went<br />
well’ or ‘In our view the elections did not take place in accordance with<br />
international standards’ – according to their standards. Thus they continue<br />
to tell us how to behave, how to run our elections, what democracy and<br />
human rights mean and what policies to carry out. They claim this is to fit<br />
us into the world economic system. All these, in my view, are signs <strong>of</strong><br />
imperialism – quite apart from their military interventions. For example,<br />
the French intervention to save Idris Deby, or their military bases in Africa,<br />
which are there to remind us that, while basically we are independent,<br />
France still remains, in a way, the boss in many African countries.<br />
Moreover, there is also American imperialism at work.<br />
ROSA MOUSSAUOI AND CHANTAL DELMAS: Obama’s arrival has not really<br />
changed the image <strong>of</strong> American imperialism, and yet his election had<br />
raised hope <strong>of</strong> this.<br />
DEMBA MOUSSA DEMBELE: Many Africans thought that with Obama America<br />
would change the way it sees the African continent, its relations with the<br />
continent and that there would even be a massive influx <strong>of</strong> capital towards<br />
Africa. In fact, nothing has changed! On the contrary, Barack Obama is<br />
pursuing George Bush’s AFRICOM (Africa Command) project <strong>of</strong> installing<br />
military bases in Africa, ostensibly to fight terrorism and strengthen the<br />
capacity <strong>of</strong> African armies. He is trying to do this now because George