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April 2011 - Centre for Civil Society - University of KwaZulu-Natal

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around, <strong>for</strong>ms <strong>of</strong> resistance are developing at both local and national<br />

levels. Civic awareness has increased over the last few years and people no<br />

longer will allow themselves to be played <strong>for</strong> suckers. They no longer want<br />

solutions imposed on them that worsen the problems they are facing. In<br />

Senegal today and every day spontaneous demonstrations are taking place<br />

throughout the country against decisions taken by government<br />

representatives in Dakar or at the local level, decisions by a government<br />

that cannot handle the situation because <strong>of</strong> budgetary restrictions on<br />

education, health, drainage or public lighting. For example, power cuts<br />

take place every day in every part <strong>of</strong> Senegal. I left home in the dark<br />

because the government is incapable <strong>of</strong> meeting the demand <strong>for</strong><br />

electricity; public services are declining in the hospitals; there are<br />

recurring strikes in the education system because the government has not<br />

been able to meet the teachers’ demands <strong>for</strong> better working or<br />

environmental conditions. This is the context in which the World Social<br />

Forum took place. We think that this is an appropriate time <strong>for</strong> sharpening<br />

the resistance against these disastrous policies imposed on us by the IMF<br />

(International Monetary Fund) and the World Bank – and also to increase<br />

pressure on the government that is acting as their accomplices instead <strong>of</strong><br />

meeting its responsibilities.<br />

There<strong>for</strong>e, we hope that the <strong>for</strong>um will provide an occasion <strong>for</strong> increasing<br />

the awareness <strong>of</strong> our citizens and strengthening the convergence between<br />

the social movements and the political parties, as we do have progressive<br />

political parties that are struggling <strong>for</strong> different policies and putting<br />

<strong>for</strong>ward alternative solutions. This will be a good opportunity <strong>for</strong> seeing to<br />

what extent the convergence between the political parties and the social<br />

movement could ensure the trans<strong>for</strong>mation <strong>for</strong> which we are hoping.<br />

ROSA MOUSSAUOI AND CHANTAL DELMAS: You spoke <strong>of</strong> this resistance to<br />

budgetary austerity but also <strong>of</strong> resistance to imperialism. What does<br />

‘resistance to imperialism’ mean in a country like Senegal 50 years after<br />

independence?<br />

DEMBA MOUSSA DEMBELE: So far the discourse <strong>of</strong> Western countries on<br />

Africa has been an arrogant, condescending and sermonising one. Take, <strong>for</strong><br />

example, the organisation <strong>of</strong> elections. The Western countries set the<br />

criteria; they send their observers to say ‘We can certify that all went<br />

well’ or ‘In our view the elections did not take place in accordance with<br />

international standards’ – according to their standards. Thus they continue<br />

to tell us how to behave, how to run our elections, what democracy and<br />

human rights mean and what policies to carry out. They claim this is to fit<br />

us into the world economic system. All these, in my view, are signs <strong>of</strong><br />

imperialism – quite apart from their military interventions. For example,<br />

the French intervention to save Idris Deby, or their military bases in Africa,<br />

which are there to remind us that, while basically we are independent,<br />

France still remains, in a way, the boss in many African countries.<br />

Moreover, there is also American imperialism at work.<br />

ROSA MOUSSAUOI AND CHANTAL DELMAS: Obama’s arrival has not really<br />

changed the image <strong>of</strong> American imperialism, and yet his election had<br />

raised hope <strong>of</strong> this.<br />

DEMBA MOUSSA DEMBELE: Many Africans thought that with Obama America<br />

would change the way it sees the African continent, its relations with the<br />

continent and that there would even be a massive influx <strong>of</strong> capital towards<br />

Africa. In fact, nothing has changed! On the contrary, Barack Obama is<br />

pursuing George Bush’s AFRICOM (Africa Command) project <strong>of</strong> installing<br />

military bases in Africa, ostensibly to fight terrorism and strengthen the<br />

capacity <strong>of</strong> African armies. He is trying to do this now because George

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