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April 2011 - Centre for Civil Society - University of KwaZulu-Natal

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divert attention from the struggles <strong>of</strong> the working peoples, from students,<br />

from women, from the youth, who are against the capitalist system as it<br />

exists. We are in the midst <strong>of</strong> the most intense capitalist crisis since 1930s.<br />

This struggle internationally is a struggle against capitalism.<br />

AMY GOODMAN: Pr<strong>of</strong>essor Campbell, I want to thank you very much <strong>for</strong><br />

being with us, a pr<strong>of</strong>essor <strong>of</strong> African American [studies] and political<br />

science at Syracuse <strong>University</strong>, African American studies and political<br />

science at Syracuse. He’s written extensively about African politics. As we<br />

move on now from talking about the protests from the Middle East and<br />

North Africa to the Midwest to Iraq, we’ll be going to Iraq in a minute.<br />

www.democracynow.org<br />

No more imposed policies: Challenges <strong>for</strong> Africa<br />

Demba Moussa Dembele First Published in Pambazuka 2 March <strong>2011</strong><br />

In an interview with Rosa Moussauoi and Chantal Delmas, Demba Moussa<br />

Dembele discusses Western-imposed policies <strong>for</strong> Africa, the faces <strong>of</strong><br />

contemporary imperialism, the notion <strong>of</strong> China’s ‘yellow peril’ and<br />

reinvigorating the struggle against neoliberalism.<br />

ROSA MOUSSAUOI AND CHANTAL DELMAS: We are in a period in which the<br />

world crisis is still unresolved. It has had very concrete social<br />

repercussions, particularly in Africa. What is the context in which the<br />

World Social Forum took place in Dakar?<br />

DEMBA MOUSSA DEMBELE: The Dakar World Social Forum took place in the<br />

context <strong>of</strong> a worsening <strong>of</strong> the crisis, not only in Senegal but also in the<br />

bulk <strong>of</strong> African countries. For over 30 years we have been experiencing<br />

various aspects <strong>of</strong> this crisis, which was imposed on us both by the<br />

international context and by the negligence and abdication <strong>of</strong> some<br />

African leaders.<br />

The hunger riots recently in Mozambique remind us that the problem <strong>of</strong><br />

food supply remains acute in Africa. In Europe you are <strong>of</strong>ten faced with<br />

the problem <strong>of</strong> immigration, allegedly clandestine and illegal. This is due<br />

to the developmental crisis Africa is experiencing: mass unemployment <strong>of</strong><br />

young people and the crisis <strong>of</strong> education. These problems are linked to the<br />

programmes imposed on us, which have caused budgetary austerity, the<br />

dismantling <strong>of</strong> state and para-state enterprises and which have prevented<br />

economic growth and employment. As a result, poverty has increased.<br />

More than half <strong>of</strong> African countries – or rather more than half <strong>of</strong> the<br />

African population – live on less than one dollar a day. This is less felt by<br />

us because there are ‘safety nets’ built into the way African societies are<br />

organised. However, the fact remains that the world is now recognising<br />

that the programmes that have been imposed on Africa have aggravated<br />

not only the unemployment problem but, especially, the problem <strong>of</strong><br />

poverty – not only in rural areas but also in urban centres. In Dakar itself,<br />

let alone its outskirts, there are families who can only af<strong>for</strong>d one meal a<br />

day.<br />

ROSA MOUSSAUOI AND CHANTAL DELMAS: There<strong>for</strong>e this <strong>for</strong>um was to take<br />

place in an extremely difficult economic and social environment. What<br />

about the political implications?<br />

DEMBA MOUSSA DEMBELE: Since people no longer accept being pushed

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