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<strong>Cheshire</strong> <strong>Inl<strong>and</strong></strong> <strong>Wetl<strong>and</strong>s</strong> March 1, 2011<br />
Regular Meeting<br />
CHESHIRE INLAND WETLANDS AND WATERCOURSES COMMISSION<br />
REGULAR MEETING<br />
TUESDAY, MARCH 1, 2011<br />
TOWN HALL 84 SOUTH MAIN STREET<br />
COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT 7:30 P.M.<br />
Members present: Robert de Jongh, Charles Dimmick, Earl Kurtz, Sheila<br />
Fiordelisi, <strong>and</strong> Kerrie Dunne.<br />
Staff: Suzanne Simone<br />
I. CALL TO ORDER<br />
Chairman de Jongh called the meeting to order at 7:30 p.m.<br />
II. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE<br />
Those present recited the pledge <strong>of</strong> allegiance.<br />
II. ROLL CALL<br />
Ms. Dunne called the roll.<br />
Members present at tonight’s meeting were Robert de Jongh, Charles<br />
Dimmick, Earl Kurtz, Sheila Fiordelisi, <strong>and</strong> Kerrie Dunne.<br />
III. DETERMINATION OF QUORUM<br />
Chairman de Jongh determined there were enough members present for a<br />
quorum.<br />
V. APPROVAL OF MINUTES – Special Meeting – February 7, 2011<br />
Regular Meeting – February 15, 2011<br />
The approval <strong>of</strong> the minutes was deferred to the end <strong>of</strong> the meeting by<br />
consensus <strong>of</strong> Commission members present.<br />
The approval <strong>of</strong> the minutes was revisited at the end <strong>of</strong> the meeting at 8:04.<br />
Moved by Dr. Dimmick. Seconded by Ms. Dunne. Motion approved 4-0-1<br />
with Ms. Fiordelisi, who was not present at the meetings.<br />
Motion: To approve the minutes from the February 7, 2011 special meeting<br />
<strong>and</strong> February 15, 2011 regular meeting with corrections.<br />
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<strong>Cheshire</strong> <strong>Inl<strong>and</strong></strong> <strong>Wetl<strong>and</strong>s</strong> March 1, 2011<br />
Regular Meeting<br />
February 15, 2011 regular meeting: Pg. 4 L32 after “public” add “act”, L35 “conversation”<br />
to “conservation”; L46-47 delete “would be able to”, Pg. 5 L26 “Richman” to “Richmond”;<br />
Pg. 6 L9 “they” to “the”, L20, “issues” to “issued”, L24-25 “work” to “permit” <strong>and</strong> “then”<br />
to “been”, L40 “put” to “but”; Pg. 8 L19 after “Ms. Simone” to “said”, L23 “one” to<br />
“once”; Pg. 10 L7 “intensive” to “intents <strong>and</strong>”; Pg. 11 L33 “citing” to “siting”, L43 delete<br />
“gain”, L44 delete “[– respond to”; Pg. 12 L32 “117.717” to “117.7”; L37 “grader” to<br />
“greater”<br />
Moved by Dr. Dimmick. Seconded by Ms. Dunne. Motion approved 4-0-1<br />
with Ms. Fiordelisi, who was not present at the meetings.<br />
VI. COMMUNICATIONS<br />
1. Connecticut Conference <strong>of</strong> Municipalities<br />
Basic Overview <strong>of</strong> the Freedom <strong>of</strong> Information Act<br />
This communication was reviewed.<br />
2. Quinnipiac River L<strong>and</strong> Use Leaders Training Short Course training<br />
program<br />
April 2 <strong>and</strong>/or April 8, 2011at CFPA in Rockfall, CT<br />
This communication was reviewed.<br />
3. Letter from Ronald Hurlburt, LS, Juliano Associates<br />
Re: Engineering Comments <strong>of</strong> 2/18/11for IWWC App. #2010-027<br />
This communication was reviewed.<br />
4. Site Development & Erosion Control Narrative/Sequence <strong>of</strong><br />
Construction<br />
Re: IWWC App. #2010-027, Richard Abbate Resubdivision<br />
This communication was reviewed.<br />
5. Engineering Comments date February 22, 2011<br />
Re: IWWC App. #2010-027, Richard Abbate Resubdivision<br />
This communication was reviewed.<br />
6. Letter from Ryan McEvoy P.E., Milone <strong>and</strong> MacBroom, Inc.<br />
Re: IWWC App. #2010-021A, Finch Avenue Modification<br />
This communication was reviewed.<br />
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<strong>Cheshire</strong> <strong>Inl<strong>and</strong></strong> <strong>Wetl<strong>and</strong>s</strong> March 1, 2011<br />
Regular Meeting<br />
VII. INSPECTION REPORTS<br />
1. Written Inspections<br />
Ms. Simone stated there were no written inspection reports.<br />
2. Staff Inspections<br />
a. Richmond Glen Subdivision<br />
Ms. Simone reported that staff conducted an inspection <strong>of</strong> Richmond<br />
Glen Subdivision; the inspection was required per stipulation to<br />
ensure that the clearing limits stakes were up <strong>and</strong> visible so that the<br />
clearing limit was marked. She reported she did go out to the site<br />
<strong>and</strong> that was the case so they then starting putting up the sediement<br />
<strong>and</strong> erosion controls which will be inspected upon their completion<br />
<strong>of</strong> installation.<br />
VIII. ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS<br />
1. Unauthorized Activities in a Regulated Wetl<strong>and</strong> Area<br />
Ms. Karin Eichten<br />
630 Cook Hill Road<br />
Chairman de Jongh stated this item is subject <strong>of</strong> ongoing litigation.<br />
This item would be discussed in Executive Session.<br />
2. Unauthorized Activities in a Regulated Wetl<strong>and</strong> Area SC 5/04/10<br />
Dr. Robert Henry <strong>and</strong> Maria Passaro-Henry<br />
12 Mountaincrest Drive<br />
Chairman de Jongh stated this item is still an open issue.<br />
3. Unauthorized Activities in a Regulated Wetl<strong>and</strong> Area SC 10/05/10<br />
Edward <strong>and</strong> Lisa Ellis SC 10/19/10<br />
79 Dundee Drive<br />
Chairman de Jongh said conditions are such that they can’t tell what<br />
is going on. They will have to wait for the snow to melt.<br />
IX. UNFINISHED BUSINESS<br />
1. Permit Application APP #2010-027<br />
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<strong>Cheshire</strong> <strong>Inl<strong>and</strong></strong> <strong>Wetl<strong>and</strong>s</strong> March 1, 2011<br />
Regular Meeting<br />
Richard Abbate DOR 12/07/10<br />
Yalesville Road FT 12/11/10<br />
Resubdivision/Site Plan - Driveway MAD 3/01/11<br />
Ron Hurlburt, licensed l<strong>and</strong> surveyor from Juliano Associates,<br />
Wallingford, CT was present on behalf <strong>of</strong> the applicant.<br />
Mr. Hurlburt addressed the Commission. He stated he was<br />
representing Richard Abbate for the subdivision on the corner <strong>of</strong><br />
Terrell Farm Road <strong>and</strong> Route 68.<br />
Mr. Hurlburt said he the majority <strong>of</strong> the Commission is fairly well<br />
versed on the application so he would just do a real quick brief recap<br />
on everything.<br />
Mr. Hurlburt said the proposal is for a subdivision – a 13 lot<br />
subdivision that was done in 1986. It was the original Terrell Farm<br />
homestead which was its own separate piece <strong>and</strong> the adjacent<br />
property to the right was lot 6 <strong>of</strong> the 13 lot subdivision, dividing it<br />
was the highlighted yellow line.<br />
Mr. Hurlburt said lot 6 was never built – it merged in with the Abbate<br />
property when Mr. Abbate built a garage over the division line<br />
therefore making it one piece <strong>of</strong> property <strong>and</strong> the <strong>Town</strong> felt the best<br />
way to go about this was to go for resubdivision.<br />
Mr. Hurlburt said they have been before the Commission several<br />
times. They have tried to address all <strong>of</strong> the comments from both the<br />
<strong>Town</strong> Engineer along with the <strong>Wetl<strong>and</strong>s</strong> Commission.<br />
Mr. Hurlburt said at the last meeting they were here, he believed the<br />
only outst<strong>and</strong>ing issues from the Commission they have addressed<br />
which was to have storm drainage calculations entered into the<br />
record along with some miscellaneous items put on the map just as<br />
legends, silt fencing <strong>and</strong> so forth. He reported that all <strong>of</strong> those items<br />
were submitted to Ms. Simone along with a sequence <strong>of</strong> construction<br />
which was also put in.<br />
Mr. Hurlburt said the Engineering comments at that time were<br />
adhered to <strong>and</strong> they had most recently received either today or late<br />
yesterday additional comments from…he said he believed as <strong>of</strong><br />
yesterday everything has been addressed both what the <strong>Wetl<strong>and</strong>s</strong><br />
Commission had asked for historically all the way to present along<br />
with the Engineering Department.<br />
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Regular Meeting<br />
Mr. Hurlburt said as <strong>of</strong> yesterday the only comment that needed to be<br />
addressed from the Engineering Department was the storm-tech<br />
units that they are proposing at the bottom corner <strong>of</strong> the property<br />
adjacent to the road. He said he responded to that with an email to<br />
Ms. Simone that they can go either way – right now the Commission<br />
was concerned <strong>and</strong> the <strong>Town</strong> Engineer was concerned with run<strong>of</strong>f<br />
coming down the proposed driveway so they have made a small<br />
detention area with storm-tech units so they have allowed for a zero<br />
net additional run<strong>of</strong>f on the site.<br />
Mr. Hurlburt said a possible concern <strong>of</strong> the <strong>Town</strong> Engineer is that<br />
since the storm-tech units that have stone on the bottom <strong>and</strong> there is<br />
the possibility that that could catch some ground water possible<br />
running down hill into it which the storm-tech would act like kind <strong>of</strong> a<br />
curtain drain <strong>and</strong> run into the catch basins.<br />
Mr. Hurlburt said they don’t really feel that would happen but the<br />
only alternative to that would be is to put in solid pipes <strong>and</strong> therefore<br />
that would act as a retention <strong>of</strong> the water <strong>and</strong> any overflow from that<br />
would then wind up going in.<br />
Mr. Hurlburt said he would like to point out that you have a fairly long<br />
wetl<strong>and</strong>s slope <strong>and</strong> prior to the units that we’ve put which is to catch<br />
the service water between the wetl<strong>and</strong>s <strong>and</strong> the storm-tech units is a<br />
major gas line that’s running through so the wetl<strong>and</strong>s have already<br />
been severed by the gas easement along with fill <strong>and</strong> two gas lines<br />
that run it. He said he really didn’t think there was going to be much<br />
<strong>of</strong> any infiltration or any change in it – he said he would be more<br />
concerned if the storm-tech units were above the gas line because<br />
then that would actually be interfering with the slope <strong>of</strong> the wetl<strong>and</strong>s.<br />
Mr. Hurlburt said he thinks the design the way they have it fine but<br />
again as he had responded to the Engineering comments that if the<br />
Commission felt more satisfactory to have solid pipes put in they<br />
could do that to.<br />
Dr. Dimmick stated that he did review those comments from the<br />
Engineering Department <strong>and</strong> that regard <strong>and</strong> he did some<br />
calculations – he said he agreed with Engineering Department that<br />
there would be some affect but he did not see an affect more than<br />
about 6’ from the pipes; another words there is going to be some<br />
draw down but because <strong>of</strong> the nature <strong>of</strong> the wetl<strong>and</strong> when you get<br />
about 6’ <strong>of</strong>f slope he did not think you would see it again so you are<br />
essentially going to lose wetl<strong>and</strong> functionality right where the storm-<br />
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Regular Meeting<br />
tech thing is because <strong>of</strong> the draw down its not going to go very far –<br />
that is his interpretation <strong>of</strong> it.<br />
Chairman de Jongh asked Ms. Simone if Engineering Department<br />
had any kind <strong>of</strong> comments.<br />
Ms. Simone said the Engineering Department did verbally respond<br />
today to the latest email <strong>and</strong> their comment is they still st<strong>and</strong>by their<br />
comment <strong>and</strong> that they just refer this to the Commission for their<br />
consideration.<br />
Chairman de Jongh said so it’s an FYI <strong>and</strong> the Commission can<br />
determine which way they want it done.<br />
Mr. Hurlburt said with that, again, he would like to reiterate that<br />
historically this was two lots, they are looking to have two lots, it’s a<br />
additional lot in the 13 lot subdivision that was accounted for<br />
originally when the subdivision was created – it just never got built.<br />
Mr. Hurlburt stated there really is no additional impact to the<br />
subdivision – there is no change – there is no change – there is<br />
nothing different then what anyone else would have ever expected<br />
buying into that subdivision.<br />
Mr. Hurlburt said he thought that they have proved that it is feasible.<br />
He said he though they have addressed every concern <strong>and</strong> they have<br />
supplied all <strong>of</strong> the information necessary <strong>and</strong> they have been holding<br />
<strong>of</strong>f <strong>and</strong> tabling Planning <strong>and</strong> Zoning obviously until they have<br />
<strong>Wetl<strong>and</strong>s</strong> approval so without any further questions he would like to<br />
see this evening an approval from the <strong>Wetl<strong>and</strong>s</strong> Commission.<br />
Chairman de Jongh said he had just one question – he said Mr.<br />
Hurlburt had mentioned that the construction sequence was<br />
provided to staff – is it also on the map.<br />
Mr. Hurlburt said no – it’s a two page report that originally the<br />
Commission had asked for it to be entered into the record <strong>and</strong> that is<br />
the way he presented it – it’s pretty lengthy so he really did not<br />
foresee that being part <strong>of</strong> the plans but part <strong>of</strong> the application.<br />
Chairman de Jongh said his only concern about it not being apart <strong>of</strong><br />
the plans is that typically the people who do the construction go by<br />
the plans <strong>and</strong> not necessarily by the file so the sequence <strong>of</strong><br />
construction is going to be important to this Commission to make<br />
sure that its done the way they want it to be outlined so he did not<br />
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Regular Meeting<br />
know how it could be incorporated on the plans so they can see that<br />
as they are going through that – he said he was not a contractor but<br />
typically they are going to go with as few pieces <strong>of</strong> paper as they<br />
possibly can.<br />
Mr. Hurlburt said he can make an additional sheet to the set, not<br />
change the sequence if it’s satisfactory <strong>and</strong> add that into the set <strong>of</strong><br />
drawings.<br />
Chairman de Jongh said <strong>and</strong> if Mr. Hurlburt could make references<br />
on those other pages that might be pertinent to say “see<br />
construction sequence on page such <strong>and</strong> such.”<br />
Mr. Hurlburt said he could also put that in the general notes on the<br />
site plan <strong>and</strong> so forth.<br />
Chairman de Jongh said he would feel more comfortable with that.<br />
Mr. Kurtz said Mr. Hurlburt stated that there is no difference between<br />
what they are proposing tonight <strong>and</strong> what was originally approved –<br />
he asked where the driveway on the original approval was.<br />
Mr. Hurlburt showed on the plan the location <strong>of</strong> the where the<br />
driveway originally proposed.<br />
Mr. Kurtz asked if that take up 3,500 square feet <strong>of</strong> wetl<strong>and</strong>s.<br />
Mr. Hurlburt said it was an entire different layout because the house<br />
was in a different spot.<br />
Mr. Kurtz asked if it took 3,500 square feet <strong>of</strong> wetl<strong>and</strong>s.<br />
Mr. Hurlburt said he did not believe so – no.<br />
Mr. Kurtz said Mr. Hurlburt said there is no difference – he said in his<br />
opinion it is a big difference <strong>and</strong> that was the problem he had.<br />
Mr. Hurlburt said that is why they are in front <strong>of</strong> this Commission. He<br />
said where there is no difference is that they are not looking for<br />
making an additional lot – they are not creating an additional lot.<br />
Mr. Kurtz said in his opinion Mr. Hurlburt is presenting this as an<br />
entitlement - that they have to have the lot now let’s go across the<br />
wetl<strong>and</strong>s <strong>and</strong> get it - he said this is where he has a big problem.<br />
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Regular Meeting<br />
Mr. Hurlburt said the reasoning for that is it’s not feasible at all <strong>and</strong><br />
in past meetings they have gone over this to try to come in outside<br />
the wetl<strong>and</strong>s <strong>and</strong> because <strong>of</strong> the town regulations for driveway<br />
requirements <strong>and</strong> the gas company there – they have proven – they<br />
went out <strong>and</strong> actually excavated – they can’t adhere to the town<br />
regulations for driveway slope <strong>and</strong> make a cut.<br />
Mr. Kurtz said he agreed with Mr. Hurlburt that it’s not feasible either.<br />
Mr. Hurlburt said he apologized if he meant is as – he didn’t by any<br />
means mean it as an entitlement – that was taken out <strong>of</strong> context what<br />
he meant was there were two lots <strong>and</strong> they are using two lots – lot 6<br />
didn’t get built on <strong>and</strong> the remaining l<strong>and</strong> they are now splitting –<br />
there is still a lot <strong>of</strong> the 13 subdivision <strong>and</strong> that is all he meant by<br />
that comment.<br />
Chairman de Jongh asked if there were any other questions from the<br />
Commission or staff.<br />
There were no other questions asked.<br />
Dr. Dimmick said that staff has prepared proposed wording for a<br />
permit <strong>and</strong> he has been convinced by the previous arguments that<br />
there is no way to put a driveway on to this lot except through<br />
approximately the way that it’s being proposed <strong>and</strong> therefore he<br />
moved staff’s wording.<br />
Seconded by Ms. Dunne.<br />
Ms. Simone noted a correction in item number seven – three words<br />
needed to be deleted.<br />
Chairman de Jongh stated a motion has been made by Dr. Dimmick<br />
<strong>and</strong> seconded by Ms. Dunne to accept staff’s wording – any<br />
questions or comments from Commission members.<br />
Mr. Kurtz stated that he is obviously against the application <strong>and</strong> he<br />
felt all along that they have been hearing too much about the history<br />
<strong>and</strong> that they are being asked to find a way to do something that he<br />
personally doesn’t feel should be done. He said there was an<br />
original approval <strong>and</strong> if the original approval had been followed then<br />
everything would be fine but things have changed <strong>and</strong> he did not feel<br />
under an obligation to provide a lot when the driveway is going to be<br />
totally in the wetl<strong>and</strong>s.<br />
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<strong>Cheshire</strong> <strong>Inl<strong>and</strong></strong> <strong>Wetl<strong>and</strong>s</strong> March 1, 2011<br />
Regular Meeting<br />
Mr. Kurtz said the Commission has had people come before them in<br />
the past <strong>and</strong> they have said “well I have to put a sidewalk here <strong>and</strong><br />
it’s going to be in the wetl<strong>and</strong> area or it’s going to have to cross a<br />
stream or something but what I’m going to do in regard to this is I’m<br />
going to provide wetl<strong>and</strong>s over here or I’m going to clean up the area<br />
over there” – they have made a mitigation as a swap – they are using<br />
wetl<strong>and</strong>s but they are going to improve something else.<br />
Mr. Kurtz said he admitted he wasn’t here at the last meeting but he<br />
did read the minutes but he did not seen anything like that <strong>and</strong> he<br />
has concluded that the Commission is being asked to approve a lot<br />
with a driveway through a substantial amount <strong>of</strong> wetl<strong>and</strong>s <strong>and</strong> he<br />
can’t come to grips with that <strong>and</strong> say okay. He said he was a rather<br />
permissive person but he just has a problem with this application.<br />
Mr. Hurlburt said he would like to just state that several meetings<br />
ago Ken Stevens from Soil Science <strong>and</strong> Environmental Services had<br />
been here <strong>and</strong> did an elevation <strong>of</strong> the wetl<strong>and</strong>s <strong>and</strong> the driveway is<br />
going to be as narrow as it possibly can – he said he believed is was<br />
about 120’ in length where the wetl<strong>and</strong>s is <strong>and</strong> its not your st<strong>and</strong>ard<br />
wetl<strong>and</strong>s where its low lying with active vegetation <strong>and</strong> active animal<br />
amphibian life – it’s actually on the first initial appearance <strong>of</strong> it is<br />
does not appear like its wetl<strong>and</strong>s – it’s sloping woods.<br />
Mr. Hurlburt said the property adjacent to it was more intrusive <strong>and</strong><br />
was built <strong>and</strong> came out rather attractive. He said they are keeping it<br />
to an absolute minimum – the driveway is staying at grade – they are<br />
not filling or excavating <strong>and</strong> it’s actually just a very narrow strip<br />
going through the wetl<strong>and</strong>s part <strong>of</strong> which is already been drastically<br />
disturbed by a gas line that runs through it.<br />
Mr. Hurlburt said he really doesn’t personally or pr<strong>of</strong>essionally see a<br />
large impact or much <strong>of</strong> any impact to the wetl<strong>and</strong>s in that portion <strong>of</strong><br />
where it is especially since the more valuable wetl<strong>and</strong>s is to the<br />
south.<br />
Chairman de Jongh asked staff for clarification that the application<br />
was purely for resubdivision <strong>and</strong> driveway installation – it has<br />
nothing to do with the location <strong>of</strong> the location <strong>of</strong> the house that<br />
would require a separate site plan approval.<br />
Ms. Simone stated that was correct. The wording regarding<br />
resubdivision <strong>and</strong> driveway installation is under stipulation item<br />
number three in the draft motion.<br />
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Regular Meeting<br />
Chairman de Jongh said to Mr. Kurtz’s point – he said he was kind <strong>of</strong><br />
caught between a rock <strong>and</strong> a hard place on this simply because he<br />
did think that they are being asked to look at a situation that was<br />
created by the original property owner because he chose to put a<br />
barn which crossed property lines <strong>and</strong> as the original property owner<br />
he certainly knew where the property lines were. He said Mr. Abbate<br />
has been a resident <strong>of</strong> this town <strong>and</strong> is familiar with the regulations<br />
<strong>of</strong> this town for quite some time.<br />
Chairman de Jongh said so while that may have been an accidental<br />
placement <strong>of</strong> it – it wasn’t placement by ignorance. He said Mr.<br />
Abbate knew where the barn was going so the Commission is having<br />
to deal with what is left over <strong>and</strong> he felt that was an unfair position to<br />
the Commission in so to Mr. Kurtz’s point he felt he is valid in his<br />
decent.<br />
Mr. Kurtz asked if there was a chance they could come back with a<br />
proposal <strong>and</strong> say they are going to enhance the area in some<br />
fashion.<br />
Mr. Hurlburt said they could do an elevation to see the merits <strong>of</strong> the<br />
area further to the south <strong>of</strong> a way that they can enhance, if that is<br />
something the Commission would like to have them enter into.<br />
Chairman de Jongh said that would certainly be received well by this<br />
Commission – call it suave on the wound if you want. He said any<br />
time a l<strong>and</strong> owner is defacing a piece <strong>of</strong> wetl<strong>and</strong> if they can create<br />
something somewhere else then its not exactly one for one put its<br />
better than nothing.<br />
Dr. Dimmick said one <strong>of</strong> the problems with that is after they did<br />
examine the site it is true that the part <strong>of</strong> the wetl<strong>and</strong>s that has the<br />
greatest value is the part towards the south which is the part that<br />
changed his mind towards agreeing to a driveway to the north would<br />
be less <strong>of</strong> a problem but the only place he saw for possible<br />
mitigation they run right into the whole bit <strong>of</strong> where the gas line runs<br />
– he would not want to touch the part that is west <strong>of</strong> the gas line –<br />
that’s the good part <strong>of</strong> it <strong>and</strong> he did not see any mitigation that would<br />
make it any better. He said what would work is an area roughly where<br />
the gas line is down slope from where they have the springs.<br />
Mr. Hurlburt said where the south end <strong>of</strong> the wetl<strong>and</strong>s exists is to<br />
maybe possibly put in some sort <strong>of</strong> vegetation <strong>and</strong> extend that<br />
without being on the wetl<strong>and</strong>s - where the wetl<strong>and</strong>s end push that<br />
further.<br />
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Regular Meeting<br />
Dr. Dimmick said something <strong>of</strong> that sort without getting into the gas<br />
line because the place that would work is essentially down slope<br />
from the springs were.<br />
Mr. Hurlburt said they could do an elevation to see if either the area<br />
<strong>of</strong> the road <strong>and</strong> the gas line on the south side would work or on the<br />
other side but obviously it would not be prudent to anything within<br />
the gas line because that’s maintained by the gas company.<br />
Dr. Dimmick said when he went out <strong>and</strong> saw actual ground water<br />
flowing out at a time when everything else was frozen he knew they<br />
had an active situation.<br />
Mr. Hurlburt said right <strong>and</strong> that is why they stayed away from that<br />
area. He said by all means they could look into some sort <strong>of</strong><br />
mitigation down in that area <strong>and</strong> come back to the Commission with<br />
that.<br />
Ms. Simone said staff would recommend that if there was any<br />
mitigation that is being entertained that that would coincide with<br />
whatever approval was given so she did not know if the Commission<br />
would want to enter into discussion <strong>of</strong> separating the issues to split<br />
the application – to have one application to be for subdivision that<br />
possible the Commission could discuss tonight; so essentially<br />
withdrawing the driveway installation portion <strong>of</strong> the application that<br />
is before the Commission tonight – that is if the Commission feels<br />
there is unfinished business then possible ask the applicant to<br />
resubmit for the driveway installation <strong>and</strong> already have mitigation<br />
plans worked out.<br />
Dr. Dimmick stated they have a m<strong>and</strong>atory action date on this for<br />
tonight.<br />
Ms. Simone said she was just throwing ideas out there – the<br />
applicant also has the ability to request additional time. If there is<br />
any thought <strong>of</strong> mitigation that the Commission members would want<br />
to see mitigation as part <strong>of</strong> this plan that it would be part <strong>of</strong> the<br />
application instead <strong>of</strong> going through this tonight possibly approving<br />
it <strong>and</strong> there would be no mechanism to require them to come back.<br />
Chairman de Jongh asked Mr. Hurlburt about the issue the applicant<br />
has with Planning <strong>and</strong> Zoning – is it just the approval or the entire<br />
package.<br />
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Mr. Hurlburt said it’s the approval here because they have already<br />
had a public hearing <strong>and</strong> then it was presented but that is as far as it<br />
went pending what happens at <strong>Wetl<strong>and</strong>s</strong>.<br />
Chairman de Jongh said he was asking that if it were this<br />
Commission’s suggestion that they split the baby if you will <strong>and</strong><br />
divide the applicant into one for subdivision <strong>and</strong> one for the<br />
driveway installation would that in any way interfere with the<br />
applicant’s ability to get an approval with Planning <strong>and</strong> Zoning.<br />
Mr. Hurlburt stated he did not think so – he said he thought that’s<br />
what’s needed because then they can rule on the subdivision.<br />
Chairman de Jongh said he felt there was a feeling on the part <strong>of</strong> the<br />
Commission that the issues raised by Mr. Kurtz were valid issues<br />
<strong>and</strong> they have requested that before so since this is kind <strong>of</strong> a new<br />
conversation piece that they have had it maybe worth, with the<br />
applicant’s approval, <strong>and</strong> it may worth it to look at these as separate<br />
issues that way Mr. Hurlburt could come back with some more<br />
details as to what that mitigation plan might be <strong>and</strong> then they could<br />
discuss the driveway installation with that mitigation plan separately<br />
but that would require an extension <strong>of</strong> the m<strong>and</strong>atory action date on<br />
the applicant’s part.<br />
Ms. Simone said if the application were to be split it could be split<br />
tonight <strong>and</strong> the applicant would say which part he wanted to drop out<br />
<strong>of</strong> tonight’s application – let’s say it’s the driveway installation so<br />
then the Commission would look at subdivision just tonight.<br />
Mr. Hurlburt said it would just be the turning <strong>of</strong> the lot line 90<br />
degrees. He said would that now be a new application to present to<br />
come back in for the mediation <strong>and</strong> the driveway – so the applicant<br />
would be making a new application.<br />
Ms. Simone said yes.<br />
Chairman de Jongh said speaking for himself the new application<br />
would not require a fee.<br />
Mr. Kurtz asked how you approve a lot without access.<br />
Chairman de Jongh said they are approving subdivision – a line on<br />
paper.<br />
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Ms. Simone stated in the past the Commission has done that <strong>and</strong> it’s<br />
just more <strong>of</strong> a theoretical okay. She said it does not show the<br />
location <strong>of</strong> house just the lot line.<br />
Mr. Hurlburt said the access they would have is legal access <strong>and</strong><br />
legal frontage they would just not being having approval for the<br />
driveway to be going through the lot.<br />
Dr. Dimmick said they then would normally give a report to Planning<br />
<strong>and</strong> Zoning that states there are wetl<strong>and</strong>s on the property <strong>and</strong> in this<br />
case access to the property would be subject to further permit from<br />
the Commission.<br />
Ms. Simone said access as well as development <strong>of</strong> the lot.<br />
Mr. Hurlburt said the alternative would be – is can they keep this<br />
application open if they were willing to grant an extension <strong>and</strong> just<br />
keep it going.<br />
Ms. Simone said if Mr. Hurlburt would like to do that – yes.<br />
Mr. Hurlburt said that might be easier <strong>and</strong> also although this would<br />
help with Planning <strong>and</strong> Zoning he said Planning <strong>and</strong> Zoning tends to<br />
be a little bit spooked if there isn’t <strong>Wetl<strong>and</strong>s</strong> approval <strong>and</strong> he thought<br />
they are still going maybe feel that they applicant does not have<br />
Wetl<strong>and</strong> approval so let’s table it.<br />
Mr. Hurlburt said he thought it was better to just continue the<br />
application.<br />
Chairman de Jongh said if Mr. Hurlburt wants to keep the application<br />
as one unit Mr. Hurlburt can extend the m<strong>and</strong>atory action date <strong>and</strong><br />
come back in with the mitigation plan to kind <strong>of</strong> add that to this<br />
application <strong>and</strong> that way the Commission could look at everything in<br />
its entirety <strong>and</strong> just more on from there.<br />
Mr. Hurlburt said in his opinion that would be the clearer way to go.<br />
Chairman de Jongh said there was a motion <strong>and</strong> a second on the<br />
floor.<br />
Dr. Dimmick moved to defer acting on this motion until the next<br />
meeting on March 15 then that way when they bring it back out the<br />
motion would be on the floor <strong>and</strong> they could talk about modifying it<br />
accordingly.<br />
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Dr. Dimmick moved to defer action on this motion to approve until<br />
the next meeting.<br />
Seconded by Ms. Dunne.<br />
Motion approved unanimously by Commission members present.<br />
Chairman de Jongh said they are going to defer consideration on the<br />
motion to approve <strong>and</strong> the application as requested there be an<br />
extension <strong>of</strong> the m<strong>and</strong>atory action date.<br />
Mr. Hurlburt stated for the record that the applicant grants <strong>and</strong> also<br />
request an extent ion <strong>of</strong> the m<strong>and</strong>atory time limit until unless the<br />
next meeting which would be March 15<br />
Mr. Hurlburt agreed to submit this request for an extension in<br />
writing.<br />
Mr. Hurlburt said he would have to get a soil scientist involved <strong>and</strong><br />
start doing mitigation – if for some reason that can’t be done in the<br />
next week in a half or two weeks.<br />
Chairman de Jongh said if they could get kind <strong>of</strong> idea <strong>of</strong> what the<br />
mitigation would be.<br />
Dr. Dimmick said if they would some conceptual approve which<br />
means an approval <strong>of</strong> an area for mitigation <strong>and</strong> the details could be<br />
stipulated in the findings.<br />
Mr. Hurlburt said he would also add the construction sequence to the<br />
plans.<br />
Chairman de Jongh deferred further action on this item to the next<br />
meeting on March 15, 2011.<br />
2. Permit Application APP #2010-021A<br />
Pinnacle L<strong>and</strong> Development DOR 2/15/11<br />
Finch Avenue<br />
Modification MAD 4/21/11<br />
Ryan McEvoy, PE <strong>of</strong> Milone <strong>and</strong> MacBroom was present on behalf <strong>of</strong><br />
the applicant Pinnacle L<strong>and</strong> Development.<br />
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Mr. McEvoy said just as a brief update to what has been submitted to<br />
staff since the lat meeting they have presented a bond estimate as<br />
was discussed at the last meeting about the cost to install the rain<br />
garden <strong>and</strong> they have also written a letter that addresses some<br />
questions that staff had about the time line that the applicant<br />
anticipates being able to construct this rain garden <strong>and</strong> that letter he<br />
believed was part <strong>of</strong> the correspondence in the Commission’s packet<br />
tonight.<br />
Motion:<br />
That the <strong>Cheshire</strong> <strong>Inl<strong>and</strong></strong> <strong>Wetl<strong>and</strong>s</strong> <strong>and</strong> <strong>Watercourses</strong> Commission,<br />
having considered the factors pursuant to Section 10 <strong>of</strong> the <strong>Inl<strong>and</strong></strong><br />
<strong>Wetl<strong>and</strong>s</strong> <strong>and</strong> <strong>Watercourses</strong> Regulations <strong>of</strong> the <strong>Town</strong> <strong>of</strong> <strong>Cheshire</strong>,<br />
Commissioners’ knowledge <strong>of</strong> the area, previous site visitations, <strong>and</strong><br />
after review <strong>of</strong> written information provided by the applicant on this<br />
application, finds the following:<br />
1. That the current application is for construction <strong>of</strong> a stormwater<br />
basin as a modification <strong>of</strong> permit #2010-021.<br />
2. That on February 7, 2011 the Commission determined that the<br />
proposed modification <strong>of</strong> permit #2010-021 requires a permit<br />
from the Commission.<br />
3. That the applicant’s engineer stated that the proposed<br />
stormwater basin design is superior to the design approved by<br />
the Planning <strong>and</strong> Zoning Commission as part <strong>of</strong> the Marta Farb<br />
subdivision permit.<br />
4. That the applicant’s engineer stated that there are no<br />
proposed direct or indirect impacts to the wetl<strong>and</strong>s or<br />
watercourses.<br />
5. That the proposed construction activities will not have a<br />
significant adverse effect on the adjacent wetl<strong>and</strong>s <strong>and</strong><br />
watercourses.<br />
6. That the Commission declared this application not significant<br />
within the context <strong>of</strong> the <strong>Inl<strong>and</strong></strong> <strong>Wetl<strong>and</strong>s</strong> <strong>and</strong> <strong>Watercourses</strong><br />
Regulations <strong>of</strong> the <strong>Town</strong> <strong>of</strong> <strong>Cheshire</strong>.<br />
Based upon the foregoing findings, the <strong>Cheshire</strong> <strong>Inl<strong>and</strong></strong> Wetl<strong>and</strong> <strong>and</strong><br />
<strong>Watercourses</strong> Commission conditionally grants CIWWC Permit<br />
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Application #2010-021A, the permit application <strong>of</strong> Pinnacle L<strong>and</strong><br />
Development for site plan, stormwater basin construction as<br />
presented on the plans entitled:<br />
“Proposed Site Plan <strong>and</strong> Sub-surface Sewage System<br />
Design<br />
Lot 2-Finch Avenue Subdivision, 355 Finch Ave.,<br />
<strong>Cheshire</strong>, CT<br />
Dated August 3, 2010; Revised February 10, 2011<br />
Scale: 1”=30’<br />
Prepared by Milone & MacBroom, Inc.”.<br />
And “Letter to William Voelker<br />
Dated February 18, 2011<br />
Prepared by Ryan McEvoy, Milone & MacBroom, Inc.”<br />
The permit is granted on the following conditions <strong>and</strong> stipulations,<br />
each <strong>of</strong> which the Commission finds to be necessary to protect the<br />
wetl<strong>and</strong>s <strong>and</strong> watercourses <strong>of</strong> the State <strong>and</strong> the <strong>Town</strong> <strong>of</strong> <strong>Cheshire</strong>:<br />
1. Any lack <strong>of</strong> compliance with any condition or stipulation <strong>of</strong><br />
this permit shall constitute a violation <strong>of</strong> the <strong>Cheshire</strong> <strong>Inl<strong>and</strong></strong><br />
<strong>Wetl<strong>and</strong>s</strong> <strong>and</strong> <strong>Watercourses</strong> Regulations, <strong>and</strong> an enforcement<br />
order shall be both issued <strong>and</strong> recorded on the <strong>Town</strong> <strong>of</strong><br />
<strong>Cheshire</strong> L<strong>and</strong> Records.<br />
2. No changes or modifications may be made to the plans as<br />
presented without subsequent review <strong>and</strong> approval the<br />
<strong>Cheshire</strong> <strong>Inl<strong>and</strong></strong> <strong>Wetl<strong>and</strong>s</strong> <strong>and</strong> <strong>Watercourses</strong> Commission.<br />
3. Prior to clearing, grading, <strong>and</strong> site work associated with the<br />
stormwater basin construction, all erosion controls depicted<br />
on the above-referenced site plan shall be property installed.<br />
Staff may insist on additional controls if warranted by field<br />
conditions.<br />
4. Per Section 12 <strong>of</strong> the <strong>Cheshire</strong> <strong>Inl<strong>and</strong></strong> <strong>Wetl<strong>and</strong>s</strong> <strong>and</strong><br />
<strong>Watercourses</strong> Regulations, a bond covering the costs <strong>of</strong> the<br />
erosion <strong>and</strong> sedimentation controls shall be filed with the<br />
<strong>Town</strong> Planner’s <strong>of</strong>fice prior to the commencement <strong>of</strong><br />
construction activities. The amount <strong>of</strong> the bond shall be<br />
determined by the <strong>Cheshire</strong> Planning Department.<br />
5. The stormwater basin shall be installed <strong>and</strong> function as<br />
designed by May 15, 2011, as detailed in the February 18, 2011<br />
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letter provided by the applicant’s engineer. In the event the<br />
stormwater basin is not installed by the agreed timeframe the<br />
Commission may call the bond to have the permitted work<br />
completed <strong>and</strong>/or begin proceedings to revoke permit #2010-<br />
021A.<br />
6. Prior to the written request to release the posted bond upon<br />
completion <strong>of</strong> all permitted work, a pr<strong>of</strong>essional engineer<br />
shall certify, in writing to the Commission that the stormwater<br />
basin is installed <strong>and</strong> function as represented in the above<br />
referenced site plan. The cost <strong>of</strong> the pr<strong>of</strong>essional engineer<br />
shall be borne by the applicant.<br />
7. Throughout the course <strong>of</strong> conducting construction activities<br />
covered by this permit grant, <strong>and</strong> per Section 11.2K <strong>of</strong> the<br />
<strong>Cheshire</strong> <strong>Inl<strong>and</strong></strong> <strong>Wetl<strong>and</strong>s</strong> <strong>and</strong> <strong>Watercourses</strong> Regulations, the<br />
applicant shall be responsible for ensuring the following:<br />
a) That all maintenance <strong>and</strong> refueling <strong>of</strong> equipment <strong>and</strong><br />
vehicles is performed as far as practical from all<br />
wetl<strong>and</strong>s <strong>and</strong> watercourses, at least 100’ if possible. All<br />
oil, gasoline, <strong>and</strong> chemicals needed at the site shall be<br />
stored in secondary containment to prevent<br />
contamination <strong>of</strong> any wetl<strong>and</strong>s or watercourses from<br />
possible leaks.<br />
b) That all disturbed areas on the site not directly<br />
required for construction activities are temporarily<br />
hayed <strong>and</strong> seeded until the site is permanently<br />
stabilized.<br />
8. This permit grant shall expire on March 1, 2016.<br />
Moved by Dr. Dimmick. Seconded by Mr. Kurtz. Motion approved<br />
unanimously by Commission members present.<br />
X. NEW BUSINESS<br />
There was no new business entertained at tonight’s meeting.<br />
XI. EXECUTIVE SESSION<br />
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Chairman de Jongh moved to go into executive session at 8:05 p.m. to<br />
discuss pending litigation. Motion approve unanimously by Commission<br />
members present.<br />
The Commission came out <strong>of</strong> executive session at 8:08 p.m.<br />
There were no votes taken or decisions made in executive session.<br />
XII. ADJOURNMENT<br />
Chairman de Jongh called for a motion for adjournment. The meeting was<br />
adjourned at 8:09 by consensus <strong>of</strong> Commission members present.<br />
Respectfully submitted:<br />
Carla Mills, Recording Secretary<br />
<strong>Cheshire</strong> <strong>Inl<strong>and</strong></strong> Wetl<strong>and</strong> <strong>and</strong><br />
Watercourse Commission<br />
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