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Book of Integration Council New - Ministry of Home Affairs

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arely the technique <strong>of</strong> transmitting civilization that what Will Durant said in his history<br />

and we have to cultivate that technique. Therefore, we are all people who are<br />

sophisticated. We are all the people who have the privilege <strong>of</strong> education, privilege <strong>of</strong><br />

being Members <strong>of</strong> parliament and yet we behave just like the rabble. I am very sorry to<br />

say that, and we all therefore sir to cure ourselves before we preach and therefore I<br />

very much welcome what Mr. Bardhan said that this gathering sir, should meet a little<br />

more <strong>of</strong>ten Every six months or every year perhaps, even six months may be even<br />

better. That should we can all ventilate our individual grievances because nobody in<br />

parliament vents his all grievances. We all walk out <strong>of</strong> parliament. So I would<br />

respectfully suggest sir, that this is a very well timely thing, we can’t achieve everything.<br />

We can’t prevent violence, I agree and please if you want to ban anything. I say ban<br />

intolerance, but how do you ban intolerance. You can’t ban intolerence unless you<br />

preach and propagate tolerance. By law, you can’t do it, therefore I am against banning<br />

anything. Everybody says ban this party, ban that party, I say no. You do it by persuasion,<br />

if you can. Use the provisions <strong>of</strong> the penal code if you can. Why no prosecution is<br />

being launched, just because we don’t have the will to launch prosecution. 295A <strong>of</strong> the<br />

penal code says any one who incites religious hatred has to be prosecuted, prosecute<br />

him. Nobody will give him bail, if you do it, but you are not doing it. I don’t know who<br />

is not doing it. Yes, use 355, use it and I don’t agree with the Supreme Court verdict<br />

that is an observation that says that 356 only follows upon 355. It does not. 356 stands,<br />

355 stands alone and must be used alone. Thank you sir, I have taken so much time.<br />

<strong>Home</strong> Minister : May I request Mr. Asgar Ali Engineer to make his statement.<br />

Shri Asgar Ali Engineer<br />

Thank you sir, for this opportunity. First thing I would like to say that in the<br />

meeting <strong>of</strong> National <strong>Integration</strong> <strong>Council</strong> last time 3 years ago, it was decided here<br />

that this meeting will be held every year and unfortunately this was totally forgotten<br />

so much so that when country was burning, I along with Swami Agnivesh Ji and<br />

Thampu Ji, had to write a letter to Prime Minister to convene the meeting <strong>of</strong> National<br />

<strong>Integration</strong> <strong>Council</strong>. I would also like to say that a sub committee was formed to<br />

study pattern <strong>of</strong> communal violence and recommend measures to stop communal<br />

riots. I was member and Hon’ble Minister <strong>of</strong> State, <strong>Home</strong>, Jaiswal Ji, was its<br />

Chairman. We formulated recommendations to, there were five members on that<br />

committee and we finalized recommendation and we hoped that soon these<br />

recommendations will be implemented and National <strong>Integration</strong> <strong>Council</strong> meeting will<br />

be called to discuss it. Nothing happened. It is this kind <strong>of</strong> casual attitude to this<br />

burning question which perpetrates, hatred and communal violence in this country.<br />

I would also like to say that I began my fight against communalism in 1961 after<br />

Jabalpur riots and I was very hopeful then that we will succeed in one day. It is<br />

more than 45 years and I find more and more communal violence spreading in this<br />

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